UK back in recession (From Romsey Advertiser)

Portswoodfoke wrote:
The damage labour did was far beyond one government term to fix, they greatly over estimated how fast they could recover the billions misspent.

We need deeper cuts to get rid of the waste of space council workers. Maybe 50% less staff would cause the ones left to work harder.

dont lie wrote:
We were never out the first one

AndyVD wrote:

Portswoodfoke wrote:
The damage labour did was far beyond one government term to fix, they greatly over estimated how fast they could recover the billions misspent.

We need deeper cuts to get rid of the waste of space council workers. Maybe 50% less staff would cause the ones left to work harder.

You really have no idea.

Portswoodfoke wrote:
The damage labour did was far beyond one government term to fix, they greatly over estimated how fast they could recover the billions misspent.

We need deeper cuts to get rid of the waste of space council workers. Maybe 50% less staff would cause the ones left to work harder.

Portswoodfoke wrote:
The damage labour did was far beyond one government term to fix, they greatly over estimated how fast they could recover the billions misspent.

We need deeper cuts to get rid of the waste of space council workers. Maybe 50% less staff would cause the ones left to work harder.

Linesman wrote:

Portswoodfoke wrote:
The damage labour did was far beyond one government term to fix, they greatly over estimated how fast they could recover the billions misspent.

We need deeper cuts to get rid of the waste of space council workers. Maybe 50% less staff would cause the ones left to work harder.

How many years are you going to blame Labour?

When you have a government who thinks it more important to make loans to the IMF, the Irish Republic and other countries, but fails to invest in British Industry, which results in rising unemployment figures, a return to recession was inevitable.

Still! Look on the bright side. The top earners have had a cut in the top rate of tax, so it can't all be bad.

Linesman wrote:

Portswoodfoke wrote:
The damage labour did was far beyond one government term to fix, they greatly over estimated how fast they could recover the billions misspent.

We need deeper cuts to get rid of the waste of space council workers. Maybe 50% less staff would cause the ones left to work harder.

How many years are you going to blame Labour?

When you have a government who thinks it more important to make loans to the IMF, the Irish Republic and other countries, but fails to invest in British Industry, which results in rising unemployment figures, a return to recession was inevitable.

Still! Look on the bright side. The top earners have had a cut in the top rate of tax, so it can't all be bad.

Torchie1 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Portswoodfoke wrote:
The damage labour did was far beyond one government term to fix, they greatly over estimated how fast they could recover the billions misspent.

We need deeper cuts to get rid of the waste of space council workers. Maybe 50% less staff would cause the ones left to work harder.

How many years are you going to blame Labour?

When you have a government who thinks it more important to make loans to the IMF, the Irish Republic and other countries, but fails to invest in British Industry, which results in rising unemployment figures, a return to recession was inevitable.

Still! Look on the bright side. The top earners have had a cut in the top rate of tax, so it can't all be bad.

With the Kendal Avenue half-wit still laying everything at Margaret Thatcher's door, the last Labour government will have to suffer for some time to come!

bigfella777 wrote:
May I please be the first to say that today's disappointing news is in no way the fault of our two economic gurus, young George and heroic Dave.

Blame rests entirely with 1) the Labour party 2) Gordon Brown in particular 3) rich people paying too much tax 4) the Eurozone crisis 5) the Global economy 6) too many employment rights for workers 7) the broken society 8) the welfare
dependency culture 9) unseasonably hot weather 10) unseasonably cold weather 11) public sector workers 12) public sector pensions 13) interfering European bureaucrats 14) disabled people 15) people panic buying petrol 16) England's
series of cricket defeats this summer that has damaged confidence 17) the Royal wedding and the Queen's forthcoming anniversary celebrations meaning too many Bank Holidays 18) the Olympics

None of the absolute mess we now find ourselves in is the fault of the Coalition Government whatsoever. And I will take no truck from anyone who says otherwise.

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Portswoodfoke wrote:
The damage labour did was far beyond one government term to fix, they greatly over estimated how fast they could recover the billions misspent.

We need deeper cuts to get rid of the waste of space council workers. Maybe 50% less staff would cause the ones left to work harder.

How many years are you going to blame Labour?

When you have a government who thinks it more important to make loans to the IMF, the Irish Republic and other countries, but fails to invest in British Industry, which results in rising unemployment figures, a return to recession was inevitable.

Still! Look on the bright side. The top earners have had a cut in the top rate of tax, so it can't all be bad.

With the Kendal Avenue half-wit still laying everything at Margaret Thatcher's door, the last Labour government will have to suffer for some time to come!

The half wit is your self Torchie your in total denial to lay the blame where it all started from, the problems today did start in the 80's.

southy wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Portswoodfoke wrote:
The damage labour did was far beyond one government term to fix, they greatly over estimated how fast they could recover the billions misspent.

We need deeper cuts to get rid of the waste of space council workers. Maybe 50% less staff would cause the ones left to work harder.

How many years are you going to blame Labour?

When you have a government who thinks it more important to make loans to the IMF, the Irish Republic and other countries, but fails to invest in British Industry, which results in rising unemployment figures, a return to recession was inevitable.

Still! Look on the bright side. The top earners have had a cut in the top rate of tax, so it can't all be bad.

The trouble is Linesman Labour are not what they use to be and no different, they are just plastic Torys now deep into capitalism and that Tory gravy train.
If you vote Labour now you might as well vote Tory you only going to get the same.

Linesman wrote:

southy wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Portswoodfoke wrote:
The damage labour did was far beyond one government term to fix, they greatly over estimated how fast they could recover the billions misspent.

We need deeper cuts to get rid of the waste of space council workers. Maybe 50% less staff would cause the ones left to work harder.

How many years are you going to blame Labour?

When you have a government who thinks it more important to make loans to the IMF, the Irish Republic and other countries, but fails to invest in British Industry, which results in rising unemployment figures, a return to recession was inevitable.

Still! Look on the bright side. The top earners have had a cut in the top rate of tax, so it can't all be bad.

The trouble is Linesman Labour are not what they use to be and no different, they are just plastic Torys now deep into capitalism and that Tory gravy train.
If you vote Labour now you might as well vote Tory you only going to get the same.

I agree, but then the Tories are not what they once were. They were once a 'paternalistic' party, but not any longer, and have not been since Ted Heath became their leader.

Labour has changed, because it brought about changes. It changed the aspirations of the working class whereby they could achieve their ambitions. A university education was made available to anyone with ability, not just the ability to pay. It introduced the NHS so that there did not have to be the price of a visit to your GP on the mantlepiece, in case of emergencies.

The Labour Party brought about changes, and because of this, it also had to change because the problems had changed.

If you want to stay wearing a cloth cap and hobnail boots, that is your choice. That is Old Labour that did not change, and was unelectable for many years.

Taskforce 141 wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:
May I please be the first to say that today's disappointing news is in no way the fault of our two economic gurus, young George and heroic Dave.

Blame rests entirely with 1) the Labour party 2) Gordon Brown in particular 3) rich people paying too much tax 4) the Eurozone crisis 5) the Global economy 6) too many employment rights for workers 7) the broken society 8) the welfare
dependency culture 9) unseasonably hot weather 10) unseasonably cold weather 11) public sector workers 12) public sector pensions 13) interfering European bureaucrats 14) disabled people 15) people panic buying petrol 16) England's
series of cricket defeats this summer that has damaged confidence 17) the Royal wedding and the Queen's forthcoming anniversary celebrations meaning too many Bank Holidays 18) the Olympics

None of the absolute mess we now find ourselves in is the fault of the Coalition Government whatsoever. And I will take no truck from anyone who says otherwise.

George the destroyer of jobs, Dave the man with no plan!

1. Both parties are to blame!
2. Rich people paying too much tax? what twoddle - how does that even compute with you? Its the rich who are tax dodging denying the country vital funds!
3. Eurozone crisis - of course impacts as to does the global economy.
4. Too many employment rights for workers? What are you barking about - how about too many people slipping on banana skins and trying to sue tom, dick and harry!
5. Broken society - totally on there
6. Welfare dependency - excellent point
7. The weather - really? We must learn and adapt to cope with the environment - its ever changing - common sense!
8. Public sector workers... No they are the backbone of society these days, however public sector MANAGERS - waste of space and too many chiefs!
9. Interfering Europe - yep couldn't agree more
10. Disabled people? You are having a laugh aren't you? I will grant you fraudsters claiming incap benefit!
11. Idiots buying petrol - they're idiots!
12. Cricket... Perhaps confidence has been shaken, but when we get knocked out of the Euros ot will be even worse...
13. Too many bank holidays! Get stuffed! we have the least amount of bank holidays than any other nation - Christ if Italy has a law that no one can work on a Sunday - that's 52 days lost a year alone and its not affecting them that adversely.
14. Olympics - Waste of money when money is pivotal for country survival - just the wrong time for that.

your closing statement re the coalition makes no sense... If you are saying its not their fault - you are a mindless goon! if you are saying it is their fault - This is true but with help from the former labour government!

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
buy gold and silver while you can get it , osbourne is the captain and this ships going down.

bigfella777 wrote:
May I please be the first to say that today's disappointing news is in no way the fault of our two economic gurus, young George and heroic Dave.

Blame rests entirely with 1) the Labour party 2) Gordon Brown in particular 3) rich people paying too much tax 4) the Eurozone crisis 5) the Global economy 6) too many employment rights for workers 7) the broken society 8) the welfare
dependency culture 9) unseasonably hot weather 10) unseasonably cold weather 11) public sector workers 12) public sector pensions 13) interfering European bureaucrats 14) disabled people 15) people panic buying petrol 16) England's
series of cricket defeats this summer that has damaged confidence 17) the Royal wedding and the Queen's forthcoming anniversary celebrations meaning too many Bank Holidays 18) the Olympics

None of the absolute mess we now find ourselves in is the fault of the Coalition Government whatsoever. And I will take no truck from anyone who says otherwise.

dango wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
buy gold and silver while you can get it , osbourne is the captain and this ships going down.

I think you'll find that Gordon Brown flogged what was left of the gold off at a rock-bottom price, only for the price to shoot back up!

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Portswoodfoke wrote:
The damage labour did was far beyond one government term to fix, they greatly over estimated how fast they could recover the billions misspent.

We need deeper cuts to get rid of the waste of space council workers. Maybe 50% less staff would cause the ones left to work harder.

How many years are you going to blame Labour?

When you have a government who thinks it more important to make loans to the IMF, the Irish Republic and other countries, but fails to invest in British Industry, which results in rising unemployment figures, a return to recession was inevitable.

Still! Look on the bright side. The top earners have had a cut in the top rate of tax, so it can't all be bad.

With the Kendal Avenue half-wit still laying everything at Margaret Thatcher's door, the last Labour government will have to suffer for some time to come!

The half wit is your self Torchie your in total denial to lay the blame where it all started from, the problems today did start in the 80's.

Not surprisingly you lost track of the thread at the point where the question of how long the last Labour government was going to have to carry the blame was raised. I must be one of the few who actually wants you to win a seat at the next council election so that you can make a fool of yourself in front of a larger audience. I have advised you in the past to get a job as a comedian so I'm hoping your future looks bright.

dango wrote:
with the unions either on strike, about to strike or threatening to strike, it's no wonder. The unions are virtually holding the country to ransom.

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Portswoodfoke wrote:
The damage labour did was far beyond one government term to fix, they greatly over estimated how fast they could recover the billions misspent.

We need deeper cuts to get rid of the waste of space council workers. Maybe 50% less staff would cause the ones left to work harder.

How many years are you going to blame Labour?

When you have a government who thinks it more important to make loans to the IMF, the Irish Republic and other countries, but fails to invest in British Industry, which results in rising unemployment figures, a return to recession was inevitable.

Still! Look on the bright side. The top earners have had a cut in the top rate of tax, so it can't all be bad.

With the Kendal Avenue half-wit still laying everything at Margaret Thatcher's door, the last Labour government will have to suffer for some time to come!

The half wit is your self Torchie your in total denial to lay the blame where it all started from, the problems today did start in the 80's.

Not surprisingly you lost track of the thread at the point where the question of how long the last Labour government was going to have to carry the blame was raised. I must be one of the few who actually wants you to win a seat at the next council election so that you can make a fool of yourself in front of a larger audience. I have advised you in the past to get a job as a comedian so I'm hoping your future looks bright.

Torchie The last Labour Government where 100% capitalist just like the Torys and so will be the next one, we had 32 years for Capitalism to get it right and they have failed big time, Capitalism do not work its designed for the few and not the many.

Linesman wrote:

southy wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Portswoodfoke wrote:
The damage labour did was far beyond one government term to fix, they greatly over estimated how fast they could recover the billions misspent.

We need deeper cuts to get rid of the waste of space council workers. Maybe 50% less staff would cause the ones left to work harder.

How many years are you going to blame Labour?

When you have a government who thinks it more important to make loans to the IMF, the Irish Republic and other countries, but fails to invest in British Industry, which results in rising unemployment figures, a return to recession was inevitable.

Still! Look on the bright side. The top earners have had a cut in the top rate of tax, so it can't all be bad.

The trouble is Linesman Labour are not what they use to be and no different, they are just plastic Torys now deep into capitalism and that Tory gravy train.
If you vote Labour now you might as well vote Tory you only going to get the same.

I agree, but then the Tories are not what they once were. They were once a 'paternalistic' party, but not any longer, and have not been since Ted Heath became their leader.

Labour has changed, because it brought about changes. It changed the aspirations of the working class whereby they could achieve their ambitions. A university education was made available to anyone with ability, not just the ability to pay. It introduced the NHS so that there did not have to be the price of a visit to your GP on the mantlepiece, in case of emergencies.

The Labour Party brought about changes, and because of this, it also had to change because the problems had changed.

If you want to stay wearing a cloth cap and hobnail boots, that is your choice. That is Old Labour that did not change, and was unelectable for many years.

dango wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
buy gold and silver while you can get it , osbourne is the captain and this ships going down.

I think you'll find that Gordon Brown flogged what was left of the gold off at a rock-bottom price, only for the price to shoot back up!

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Portswoodfoke wrote:
The damage labour did was far beyond one government term to fix, they greatly over estimated how fast they could recover the billions misspent.

We need deeper cuts to get rid of the waste of space council workers. Maybe 50% less staff would cause the ones left to work harder.

How many years are you going to blame Labour?

When you have a government who thinks it more important to make loans to the IMF, the Irish Republic and other countries, but fails to invest in British Industry, which results in rising unemployment figures, a return to recession was inevitable.

Still! Look on the bright side. The top earners have had a cut in the top rate of tax, so it can't all be bad.

With the Kendal Avenue half-wit still laying everything at Margaret Thatcher's door, the last Labour government will have to suffer for some time to come!

The half wit is your self Torchie your in total denial to lay the blame where it all started from, the problems today did start in the 80's.

Not surprisingly you lost track of the thread at the point where the question of how long the last Labour government was going to have to carry the blame was raised. I must be one of the few who actually wants you to win a seat at the next council election so that you can make a fool of yourself in front of a larger audience. I have advised you in the past to get a job as a comedian so I'm hoping your future looks bright.

Torchie The last Labour Government where 100% capitalist just like the Torys and so will be the next one, we had 32 years for Capitalism to get it right and they have failed big time, Capitalism do not work its designed for the few and not the many.

Linesman wrote:

dango wrote:

arthur dalyrimple wrote:
buy gold and silver while you can get it , osbourne is the captain and this ships going down.

I think you'll find that Gordon Brown flogged what was left of the gold off at a rock-bottom price, only for the price to shoot back up!

Check it out. It paid off War Loans.

Linesman wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Portswoodfoke wrote:
The damage labour did was far beyond one government term to fix, they greatly over estimated how fast they could recover the billions misspent.

We need deeper cuts to get rid of the waste of space council workers. Maybe 50% less staff would cause the ones left to work harder.

How many years are you going to blame Labour?

When you have a government who thinks it more important to make loans to the IMF, the Irish Republic and other countries, but fails to invest in British Industry, which results in rising unemployment figures, a return to recession was inevitable.

Still! Look on the bright side. The top earners have had a cut in the top rate of tax, so it can't all be bad.

With the Kendal Avenue half-wit still laying everything at Margaret Thatcher's door, the last Labour government will have to suffer for some time to come!

The half wit is your self Torchie your in total denial to lay the blame where it all started from, the problems today did start in the 80's.

Not surprisingly you lost track of the thread at the point where the question of how long the last Labour government was going to have to carry the blame was raised. I must be one of the few who actually wants you to win a seat at the next council election so that you can make a fool of yourself in front of a larger audience. I have advised you in the past to get a job as a comedian so I'm hoping your future looks bright.

Torchie The last Labour Government where 100% capitalist just like the Torys and so will be the next one, we had 32 years for Capitalism to get it right and they have failed big time, Capitalism do not work its designed for the few and not the many.

Of course they were. We live in a capitalist society.

If you don't want capitalism, show me a non-capitalist society that worked.

Russia?

Yugoslavia?

China?

Maybe you would opt for North Korea?


A non-capitalist society is a dream, not a reality.

Capitalism is OK when there is a good balance. What we are experiencing at present is a capitalist society that is out of balance, and that is what has to be addressed.

southy wrote:

dont lie wrote:
We were never out the first one

True its been one long recession since the 80's

AndyVD wrote:

Portswoodfoke wrote: The damage labour did was far beyond one government term to fix, they greatly over estimated how fast they could recover the billions misspent. We need deeper cuts to get rid of the waste of space council workers. Maybe 50% less staff would cause the ones left to work harder.

You really have no idea.

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

dont lie wrote:
We were never out the first one

True its been one long recession since the 80's

.. oh southy!! You don’t actually believe these statistics, do you?

May I remind you they are from the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

Here’s what you said about the ONS at 12:39pm Friday 6 April 2012: -

‘Go direct to Whitehall Civil Service and you see the raw data .. and not by outside agency who been told to make the figures to look better than what they really are.
The ONS is run by a private contact firm and is not done by Whitehall no longer like it use to be when you had true facts and figures ..’.

Or, southy 12:21pm Fri 8 Apr 11 – ‘And all the ONS will do is to distort the figures’.

So, please can you give us the TUSC official Trotskyist statistics for GDP over the last two quarters – you know, the statistics that only you are privy to, as all the rest of us get our information from those free-to-use websites that deliberately put out false statistics. What are the ‘true facts and figures’?

Condor Man wrote:
We've been stagnating ever since 2007. Brown was largely responsible for the problem. He banked everything on getting tax in from the financial sector. He also 'solved' unemployment by expanding the public sector to unsustainable levels. You could also accuse him of failing to control house prices by giving control of interest rates to the Bank of England plus not regulating the mortgage industry. These problems would face any government regardless of the party.

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

dont lie wrote:
We were never out the first one

True its been one long recession since the 80's

.. oh southy!! You don’t actually believe these statistics, do you?

May I remind you they are from the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

Here’s what you said about the ONS at 12:39pm Friday 6 April 2012: -

‘Go direct to Whitehall Civil Service and you see the raw data .. and not by outside agency who been told to make the figures to look better than what they really are.
The ONS is run by a private contact firm and is not done by Whitehall no longer like it use to be when you had true facts and figures ..’.

Or, southy 12:21pm Fri 8 Apr 11 – ‘And all the ONS will do is to distort the figures’.

So, please can you give us the TUSC official Trotskyist statistics for GDP over the last two quarters – you know, the statistics that only you are privy to, as all the rest of us get our information from those free-to-use websites that deliberately put out false statistics. What are the ‘true facts and figures’?

freefinker I not believe in the ONS since it was contacted out to the private sector to run, by Thatcher. Raw Data from whitehall are a lot closer, and it was at an extra cost.
I had high hopes for the Green party once, untill I see how right wing they are too, they to have joined the Tory Gravy train and making cuts, and putting people out of work.

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

dont lie wrote:
We were never out the first one

True its been one long recession since the 80's

.. oh southy!! You don’t actually believe these statistics, do you?

May I remind you they are from the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

Here’s what you said about the ONS at 12:39pm Friday 6 April 2012: -

‘Go direct to Whitehall Civil Service and you see the raw data .. and not by outside agency who been told to make the figures to look better than what they really are.
The ONS is run by a private contact firm and is not done by Whitehall no longer like it use to be when you had true facts and figures ..’.

Or, southy 12:21pm Fri 8 Apr 11 – ‘And all the ONS will do is to distort the figures’.

So, please can you give us the TUSC official Trotskyist statistics for GDP over the last two quarters – you know, the statistics that only you are privy to, as all the rest of us get our information from those free-to-use websites that deliberately put out false statistics. What are the ‘true facts and figures’?

freefinker I not believe in the ONS since it was contacted out to the private sector to run, by Thatcher. Raw Data from whitehall are a lot closer, and it was at an extra cost.
I had high hopes for the Green party once, untill I see how right wing they are too, they to have joined the Tory Gravy train and making cuts, and putting people out of work.

southy wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

dont lie wrote:
We were never out the first one

True its been one long recession since the 80's

.. oh southy!! You don’t actually believe these statistics, do you?

May I remind you they are from the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

Here’s what you said about the ONS at 12:39pm Friday 6 April 2012: -

‘Go direct to Whitehall Civil Service and you see the raw data .. and not by outside agency who been told to make the figures to look better than what they really are.
The ONS is run by a private contact firm and is not done by Whitehall no longer like it use to be when you had true facts and figures ..’.

Or, southy 12:21pm Fri 8 Apr 11 – ‘And all the ONS will do is to distort the figures’.

So, please can you give us the TUSC official Trotskyist statistics for GDP over the last two quarters – you know, the statistics that only you are privy to, as all the rest of us get our information from those free-to-use websites that deliberately put out false statistics. What are the ‘true facts and figures’?

freefinker I not believe in the ONS since it was contacted out to the private sector to run, by Thatcher. Raw Data from whitehall are a lot closer, and it was at an extra cost.
I had high hopes for the Green party once, untill I see how right wing they are too, they to have joined the Tory Gravy train and making cuts, and putting people out of work.

oh go and buy a socialist news paper a good one, there is a few old boys that post in there every so often, one been watching the unemployment numbers since the 1982 and he watches the number of jobs to the number off jobs lost and takes into account numbers that retire or leave the country and those that comes on to the job market and the ONS figures are well below the real figures.
Who idea was it to take out the unemployed figures out of the equation from what makes a recession, that was Thatcher, just hide the real truth of it all.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Every problem has a solution, the big question is what is the right way to go. It strikes me that if you take away the spending power of the majority it kills off demand, no demand, no production, no jobs. People that are wealthy tend to go elsewhere to buy what they want. Until our economy is given a kick start, nothing will change. Higher unemployment is not the answer, it just seems the current mantra doesn't appreciate that the unemployed are a major burden on taxpayers, give them jobs, give them money to spend, create demand and the whole thing will start to roll, and also we need to produce items to export, more jobs more income. more tax income. It is not rocket science.

dango wrote:

southy wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

dont lie wrote:
We were never out the first one

True its been one long recession since the 80's

.. oh southy!! You don’t actually believe these statistics, do you?

May I remind you they are from the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

Here’s what you said about the ONS at 12:39pm Friday 6 April 2012: -

‘Go direct to Whitehall Civil Service and you see the raw data .. and not by outside agency who been told to make the figures to look better than what they really are.
The ONS is run by a private contact firm and is not done by Whitehall no longer like it use to be when you had true facts and figures ..’.

Or, southy 12:21pm Fri 8 Apr 11 – ‘And all the ONS will do is to distort the figures’.

So, please can you give us the TUSC official Trotskyist statistics for GDP over the last two quarters – you know, the statistics that only you are privy to, as all the rest of us get our information from those free-to-use websites that deliberately put out false statistics. What are the ‘true facts and figures’?

freefinker I not believe in the ONS since it was contacted out to the private sector to run, by Thatcher. Raw Data from whitehall are a lot closer, and it was at an extra cost.
I had high hopes for the Green party once, untill I see how right wing they are too, they to have joined the Tory Gravy train and making cuts, and putting people out of work.

oh go and buy a socialist news paper a good one, there is a few old boys that post in there every so often, one been watching the unemployment numbers since the 1982 and he watches the number of jobs to the number off jobs lost and takes into account numbers that retire or leave the country and those that comes on to the job market and the ONS figures are well below the real figures.
Who idea was it to take out the unemployed figures out of the equation from what makes a recession, that was Thatcher, just hide the real truth of it all.

I'd rather read the statistics from the ONS, where the people who work there have qualifications in maths and statistics gained from years of hard work at a university than read the drivel cobbled together by some donkey jacketed, Red Star reading old socialist working away in front of a brazier.

Molly2206 wrote:

AndyVD wrote:

Portswoodfoke wrote: The damage labour did was far beyond one government term to fix, they greatly over estimated how fast they could recover the billions misspent. We need deeper cuts to get rid of the waste of space council workers. Maybe 50% less staff would cause the ones left to work harder.

You really have no idea.

Sorry but what planet are you on!!!!!! Council's have already suffered significant jobs cuts due to a reduction in their budgets. Council staff are already stretched to the limits in most areas any further cuts would only mean a reduction in the services offered, should that happen you would probably be one of the first people to complain.

southy wrote:
freefinker Thatcher might off been kick out off office in 1990 but her evil legacy in what she done while in power will effect us for ever till real changes are made and to undo all the damage she and her government done, if thing are left alone to carry on it will only get worse for the majority and never better.

southy wrote:

dango wrote:

southy wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

dont lie wrote:
We were never out the first one

True its been one long recession since the 80's

.. oh southy!! You don’t actually believe these statistics, do you?

May I remind you they are from the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

Here’s what you said about the ONS at 12:39pm Friday 6 April 2012: -

‘Go direct to Whitehall Civil Service and you see the raw data .. and not by outside agency who been told to make the figures to look better than what they really are.
The ONS is run by a private contact firm and is not done by Whitehall no longer like it use to be when you had true facts and figures ..’.

Or, southy 12:21pm Fri 8 Apr 11 – ‘And all the ONS will do is to distort the figures’.

So, please can you give us the TUSC official Trotskyist statistics for GDP over the last two quarters – you know, the statistics that only you are privy to, as all the rest of us get our information from those free-to-use websites that deliberately put out false statistics. What are the ‘true facts and figures’?

freefinker I not believe in the ONS since it was contacted out to the private sector to run, by Thatcher. Raw Data from whitehall are a lot closer, and it was at an extra cost.
I had high hopes for the Green party once, untill I see how right wing they are too, they to have joined the Tory Gravy train and making cuts, and putting people out of work.

oh go and buy a socialist news paper a good one, there is a few old boys that post in there every so often, one been watching the unemployment numbers since the 1982 and he watches the number of jobs to the number off jobs lost and takes into account numbers that retire or leave the country and those that comes on to the job market and the ONS figures are well below the real figures.
Who idea was it to take out the unemployed figures out of the equation from what makes a recession, that was Thatcher, just hide the real truth of it all.

I'd rather read the statistics from the ONS, where the people who work there have qualifications in maths and statistics gained from years of hard work at a university than read the drivel cobbled together by some donkey jacketed, Red Star reading old socialist working away in front of a brazier.

You mean one way narrow thinking the professionals who know no other way to think and do as they are told and how to think.
You know its funny dango you support a system that would keep you in your place and in a home that you think is horrible.

good-gosh wrote:
Nobody wants recession but its here. The solution is simple. Cut debt to cut loan repayments, to provide cash for investment. Simple. And that is what is underway.

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:
freefinker Thatcher might off been kick out off office in 1990 but her evil legacy in what she done while in power will effect us for ever till real changes are made and to undo all the damage she and her government done, if thing are left alone to carry on it will only get worse for the majority and never better.

That's not the point - admit you were wrong to say: -

'the ONS .. was contacted out to the private sector to run, by Thatcher'

southy, redbridge, 5:26pm Sat 8 Jan 11. says,'and has admitting when i am wrong i am one of the only few people on here that will do that'

Still waiting.

dango wrote:

southy wrote:

dango wrote:

southy wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

dont lie wrote:
We were never out the first one

True its been one long recession since the 80's

.. oh southy!! You don’t actually believe these statistics, do you?

May I remind you they are from the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

Here’s what you said about the ONS at 12:39pm Friday 6 April 2012: -

‘Go direct to Whitehall Civil Service and you see the raw data .. and not by outside agency who been told to make the figures to look better than what they really are.
The ONS is run by a private contact firm and is not done by Whitehall no longer like it use to be when you had true facts and figures ..’.

Or, southy 12:21pm Fri 8 Apr 11 – ‘And all the ONS will do is to distort the figures’.

So, please can you give us the TUSC official Trotskyist statistics for GDP over the last two quarters – you know, the statistics that only you are privy to, as all the rest of us get our information from those free-to-use websites that deliberately put out false statistics. What are the ‘true facts and figures’?

freefinker I not believe in the ONS since it was contacted out to the private sector to run, by Thatcher. Raw Data from whitehall are a lot closer, and it was at an extra cost.
I had high hopes for the Green party once, untill I see how right wing they are too, they to have joined the Tory Gravy train and making cuts, and putting people out of work.

oh go and buy a socialist news paper a good one, there is a few old boys that post in there every so often, one been watching the unemployment numbers since the 1982 and he watches the number of jobs to the number off jobs lost and takes into account numbers that retire or leave the country and those that comes on to the job market and the ONS figures are well below the real figures.
Who idea was it to take out the unemployed figures out of the equation from what makes a recession, that was Thatcher, just hide the real truth of it all.

I'd rather read the statistics from the ONS, where the people who work there have qualifications in maths and statistics gained from years of hard work at a university than read the drivel cobbled together by some donkey jacketed, Red Star reading old socialist working away in front of a brazier.

You mean one way narrow thinking the professionals who know no other way to think and do as they are told and how to think.
You know its funny dango you support a system that would keep you in your place and in a home that you think is horrible.

as opposed to narrow minded one way thinkers who go on strike because Unison tell them to, without realising that the Union bosses have no real interest in the workers at all? I said the flat was awful, as in the block, not my apartment flat, which is a unit (your definition; Daily Echo website 24/04/2012) I think my unit is actually rather nice inside ;-)

southy wrote:

dont lie wrote:
We were never out the first one

True its been one long recession since the 80's

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

dont lie wrote:
We were never out the first one

True its been one long recession since the 80's

Really? So now you're just making up new definitions of words, huh.

dango wrote:
Southy, the rest of the building I can't do much about as it's council property. But, under the Conservative council, it has been freshly decorated, a new front door has been installed alongside a new entry system and another new door to the shared (it pains me to use the word communal) bin store, and the aerial system has been upgraded well in time for the digital switchover.

Linesman wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:
May I please be the first to say that today's disappointing news is in no way the fault of our two economic gurus, young George and heroic Dave.

Blame rests entirely with 1) the Labour party 2) Gordon Brown in particular 3) rich people paying too much tax 4) the Eurozone crisis 5) the Global economy 6) too many employment rights for workers 7) the broken society 8) the welfare
dependency culture 9) unseasonably hot weather 10) unseasonably cold weather 11) public sector workers 12) public sector pensions 13) interfering European bureaucrats 14) disabled people 15) people panic buying petrol 16) England's
series of cricket defeats this summer that has damaged confidence 17) the Royal wedding and the Queen's forthcoming anniversary celebrations meaning too many Bank Holidays 18) the Olympics

None of the absolute mess we now find ourselves in is the fault of the Coalition Government whatsoever. And I will take no truck from anyone who says otherwise.

George the destroyer of jobs, Dave the man with no plan!

1. Both parties are to blame!
2. Rich people paying too much tax? what twoddle - how does that even compute with you? Its the rich who are tax dodging denying the country vital funds!
3. Eurozone crisis - of course impacts as to does the global economy.
4. Too many employment rights for workers? What are you barking about - how about too many people slipping on banana skins and trying to sue tom, dick and harry!
5. Broken society - totally on there
6. Welfare dependency - excellent point
7. The weather - really? We must learn and adapt to cope with the environment - its ever changing - common sense!
8. Public sector workers... No they are the backbone of society these days, however public sector MANAGERS - waste of space and too many chiefs!
9. Interfering Europe - yep couldn't agree more
10. Disabled people? You are having a laugh aren't you? I will grant you fraudsters claiming incap benefit!
11. Idiots buying petrol - they're idiots!
12. Cricket... Perhaps confidence has been shaken, but when we get knocked out of the Euros ot will be even worse...
13. Too many bank holidays! Get stuffed! we have the least amount of bank holidays than any other nation - Christ if Italy has a law that no one can work on a Sunday - that's 52 days lost a year alone and its not affecting them that adversely.
14. Olympics - Waste of money when money is pivotal for country survival - just the wrong time for that.

your closing statement re the coalition makes no sense... If you are saying its not their fault - you are a mindless goon! if you are saying it is their fault - This is true but with help from the former labour government!

You amaze me.

I didn't think that anyone would take bigfella777's comments seriously.

good-gosh wrote:
Nobody wants recession but its here. The solution is simple. Cut debt to cut loan repayments, to provide cash for investment. Simple. And that is what is underway.

bigfella777 wrote:

good-gosh wrote:
Nobody wants recession but its here. The solution is simple. Cut debt to cut loan repayments, to provide cash for investment. Simple. And that is what is underway.

Its even easier than that, all everyone has to do is get all their money out of the bank and spend it.

RadicalEmu wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:

good-gosh wrote:
Nobody wants recession but its here. The solution is simple. Cut debt to cut loan repayments, to provide cash for investment. Simple. And that is what is underway.

Its even easier than that, all everyone has to do is get all their money out of the bank and spend it.

If everyone took all their money out of the bank then... wait, the banks would crash long before even half the population got on the bus.

RadicalEmu wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:

good-gosh wrote:
Nobody wants recession but its here. The solution is simple. Cut debt to cut loan repayments, to provide cash for investment. Simple. And that is what is underway.

Its even easier than that, all everyone has to do is get all their money out of the bank and spend it.

If everyone took all their money out of the bank then... wait, the banks would crash long before even half the population got on the bus.

RadicalEmu wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:

good-gosh wrote:
Nobody wants recession but its here. The solution is simple. Cut debt to cut loan repayments, to provide cash for investment. Simple. And that is what is underway.

Its even easier than that, all everyone has to do is get all their money out of the bank and spend it.

If everyone took all their money out of the bank then... wait, the banks would crash long before even half the population got on the bus.

bigfella777 wrote:

RadicalEmu wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:

good-gosh wrote:
Nobody wants recession but its here. The solution is simple. Cut debt to cut loan repayments, to provide cash for investment. Simple. And that is what is underway.

Its even easier than that, all everyone has to do is get all their money out of the bank and spend it.

If everyone took all their money out of the bank then... wait, the banks would crash long before even half the population got on the bus.

Why would they, the money would go back to the bank, your just tight.

bigfella777 wrote:

RadicalEmu wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:

good-gosh wrote:
Nobody wants recession but its here. The solution is simple. Cut debt to cut loan repayments, to provide cash for investment. Simple. And that is what is underway.

Its even easier than that, all everyone has to do is get all their money out of the bank and spend it.

If everyone took all their money out of the bank then... wait, the banks would crash long before even half the population got on the bus.

Why would they, the money would go back to the bank, your just tight.

southy wrote:

Linesman wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Portswoodfoke wrote:
The damage labour did was far beyond one government term to fix, they greatly over estimated how fast they could recover the billions misspent.

We need deeper cuts to get rid of the waste of space council workers. Maybe 50% less staff would cause the ones left to work harder.

How many years are you going to blame Labour?

When you have a government who thinks it more important to make loans to the IMF, the Irish Republic and other countries, but fails to invest in British Industry, which results in rising unemployment figures, a return to recession was inevitable.

Still! Look on the bright side. The top earners have had a cut in the top rate of tax, so it can't all be bad.

With the Kendal Avenue half-wit still laying everything at Margaret Thatcher's door, the last Labour government will have to suffer for some time to come!

The half wit is your self Torchie your in total denial to lay the blame where it all started from, the problems today did start in the 80's.

Not surprisingly you lost track of the thread at the point where the question of how long the last Labour government was going to have to carry the blame was raised. I must be one of the few who actually wants you to win a seat at the next council election so that you can make a fool of yourself in front of a larger audience. I have advised you in the past to get a job as a comedian so I'm hoping your future looks bright.

Torchie The last Labour Government where 100% capitalist just like the Torys and so will be the next one, we had 32 years for Capitalism to get it right and they have failed big time, Capitalism do not work its designed for the few and not the many.

Of course they were. We live in a capitalist society.

If you don't want capitalism, show me a non-capitalist society that worked.

Russia?

Yugoslavia?

China?

Maybe you would opt for North Korea?


A non-capitalist society is a dream, not a reality.

Capitalism is OK when there is a good balance. What we are experiencing at present is a capitalist society that is out of balance, and that is what has to be addressed.

First off all you got to have Socialist country to have an example, Stalism is not Socialism its Socialism for a few Capitalist. The nearest any country had come to Socialism was Russia when under Lenin, after Lenin Russia reverted back to same type of government it had between spring 1917 to autumn 1917.
What was it Thatcher said about Kinnock "now here is a man I can work with".
What was it Blair said on going into number 10 after all the promises he made to the people that elected him into office to make changes "there will be no change in Thatcher policy"
And what was it Milliband has said "We want responsable Capitalism" there is no such thing. He also said "We want Good Capitalism" again there is no such thing, Capitalism is designed for the few and not the many.
Greed is bad for majority, and only good for the minority.

RadicalEmu wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:

RadicalEmu wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:

good-gosh wrote:
Nobody wants recession but its here. The solution is simple. Cut debt to cut loan repayments, to provide cash for investment. Simple. And that is what is underway.

Its even easier than that, all everyone has to do is get all their money out of the bank and spend it.

If everyone took all their money out of the bank then... wait, the banks would crash long before even half the population got on the bus.

Why would they, the money would go back to the bank, your just tight.

They would, because money's mostly electronic, not cash.
.
I suppose that if people staggered the mass withdrawal you propose, give the cash a chance to flow back to the vaults, then we'd see temporary growth, but it would flatline again as there's only so much disposable income.

Georgem wrote:

RadicalEmu wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:

RadicalEmu wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:

good-gosh wrote:
Nobody wants recession but its here. The solution is simple. Cut debt to cut loan repayments, to provide cash for investment. Simple. And that is what is underway.

Its even easier than that, all everyone has to do is get all their money out of the bank and spend it.

If everyone took all their money out of the bank then... wait, the banks would crash long before even half the population got on the bus.

Why would they, the money would go back to the bank, your just tight.

They would, because money's mostly electronic, not cash.
.
I suppose that if people staggered the mass withdrawal you propose, give the cash a chance to flow back to the vaults, then we'd see temporary growth, but it would flatline again as there's only so much disposable income.

If disposable income is finite, how do you explain economic growth?

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Linesman wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Portswoodfoke wrote:
The damage labour did was far beyond one government term to fix, they greatly over estimated how fast they could recover the billions misspent.

We need deeper cuts to get rid of the waste of space council workers. Maybe 50% less staff would cause the ones left to work harder.

How many years are you going to blame Labour?

When you have a government who thinks it more important to make loans to the IMF, the Irish Republic and other countries, but fails to invest in British Industry, which results in rising unemployment figures, a return to recession was inevitable.

Still! Look on the bright side. The top earners have had a cut in the top rate of tax, so it can't all be bad.

With the Kendal Avenue half-wit still laying everything at Margaret Thatcher's door, the last Labour government will have to suffer for some time to come!

The half wit is your self Torchie your in total denial to lay the blame where it all started from, the problems today did start in the 80's.

Not surprisingly you lost track of the thread at the point where the question of how long the last Labour government was going to have to carry the blame was raised. I must be one of the few who actually wants you to win a seat at the next council election so that you can make a fool of yourself in front of a larger audience. I have advised you in the past to get a job as a comedian so I'm hoping your future looks bright.

Torchie The last Labour Government where 100% capitalist just like the Torys and so will be the next one, we had 32 years for Capitalism to get it right and they have failed big time, Capitalism do not work its designed for the few and not the many.

Of course they were. We live in a capitalist society.

If you don't want capitalism, show me a non-capitalist society that worked.

Russia?

Yugoslavia?

China?

Maybe you would opt for North Korea?


A non-capitalist society is a dream, not a reality.

Capitalism is OK when there is a good balance. What we are experiencing at present is a capitalist society that is out of balance, and that is what has to be addressed.

First off all you got to have Socialist country to have an example, Stalism is not Socialism its Socialism for a few Capitalist. The nearest any country had come to Socialism was Russia when under Lenin, after Lenin Russia reverted back to same type of government it had between spring 1917 to autumn 1917.
What was it Thatcher said about Kinnock "now here is a man I can work with".
What was it Blair said on going into number 10 after all the promises he made to the people that elected him into office to make changes "there will be no change in Thatcher policy"
And what was it Milliband has said "We want responsable Capitalism" there is no such thing. He also said "We want Good Capitalism" again there is no such thing, Capitalism is designed for the few and not the many.
Greed is bad for majority, and only good for the minority.

"Stalinism is not socialism, it's socialism". What?

RadicalEmu wrote:

Georgem wrote:

RadicalEmu wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:

RadicalEmu wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:

good-gosh wrote:
Nobody wants recession but its here. The solution is simple. Cut debt to cut loan repayments, to provide cash for investment. Simple. And that is what is underway.

Its even easier than that, all everyone has to do is get all their money out of the bank and spend it.

If everyone took all their money out of the bank then... wait, the banks would crash long before even half the population got on the bus.

Why would they, the money would go back to the bank, your just tight.

They would, because money's mostly electronic, not cash.
.
I suppose that if people staggered the mass withdrawal you propose, give the cash a chance to flow back to the vaults, then we'd see temporary growth, but it would flatline again as there's only so much disposable income.

If disposable income is finite, how do you explain economic growth?

What's that? I live in England...

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Linesman wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Portswoodfoke wrote:
The damage labour did was far beyond one government term to fix, they greatly over estimated how fast they could recover the billions misspent.

We need deeper cuts to get rid of the waste of space council workers. Maybe 50% less staff would cause the ones left to work harder.

How many years are you going to blame Labour?

When you have a government who thinks it more important to make loans to the IMF, the Irish Republic and other countries, but fails to invest in British Industry, which results in rising unemployment figures, a return to recession was inevitable.

Still! Look on the bright side. The top earners have had a cut in the top rate of tax, so it can't all be bad.

With the Kendal Avenue half-wit still laying everything at Margaret Thatcher's door, the last Labour government will have to suffer for some time to come!

The half wit is your self Torchie your in total denial to lay the blame where it all started from, the problems today did start in the 80's.

Not surprisingly you lost track of the thread at the point where the question of how long the last Labour government was going to have to carry the blame was raised. I must be one of the few who actually wants you to win a seat at the next council election so that you can make a fool of yourself in front of a larger audience. I have advised you in the past to get a job as a comedian so I'm hoping your future looks bright.

Torchie The last Labour Government where 100% capitalist just like the Torys and so will be the next one, we had 32 years for Capitalism to get it right and they have failed big time, Capitalism do not work its designed for the few and not the many.

Of course they were. We live in a capitalist society.

If you don't want capitalism, show me a non-capitalist society that worked.

Russia?

Yugoslavia?

China?

Maybe you would opt for North Korea?


A non-capitalist society is a dream, not a reality.

Capitalism is OK when there is a good balance. What we are experiencing at present is a capitalist society that is out of balance, and that is what has to be addressed.

First off all you got to have Socialist country to have an example, Stalism is not Socialism its Socialism for a few Capitalist. The nearest any country had come to Socialism was Russia when under Lenin, after Lenin Russia reverted back to same type of government it had between spring 1917 to autumn 1917.
What was it Thatcher said about Kinnock "now here is a man I can work with".
What was it Blair said on going into number 10 after all the promises he made to the people that elected him into office to make changes "there will be no change in Thatcher policy"
And what was it Milliband has said "We want responsable Capitalism" there is no such thing. He also said "We want Good Capitalism" again there is no such thing, Capitalism is designed for the few and not the many.
Greed is bad for majority, and only good for the minority.

"Stalinism is not socialism, it's socialism". What?

Not very bright are you Georgem.

Stalinism is not Socialism, its Socialism for the few Capitalist. aka Neo-Nationalism very close to Thatcherism.

RadicalEmu wrote:
Nah, it passed me by while I was on minimum wage.

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Linesman wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Portswoodfoke wrote:
The damage labour did was far beyond one government term to fix, they greatly over estimated how fast they could recover the billions misspent.

We need deeper cuts to get rid of the waste of space council workers. Maybe 50% less staff would cause the ones left to work harder.

How many years are you going to blame Labour?

When you have a government who thinks it more important to make loans to the IMF, the Irish Republic and other countries, but fails to invest in British Industry, which results in rising unemployment figures, a return to recession was inevitable.

Still! Look on the bright side. The top earners have had a cut in the top rate of tax, so it can't all be bad.

With the Kendal Avenue half-wit still laying everything at Margaret Thatcher's door, the last Labour government will have to suffer for some time to come!

The half wit is your self Torchie your in total denial to lay the blame where it all started from, the problems today did start in the 80's.

Not surprisingly you lost track of the thread at the point where the question of how long the last Labour government was going to have to carry the blame was raised. I must be one of the few who actually wants you to win a seat at the next council election so that you can make a fool of yourself in front of a larger audience. I have advised you in the past to get a job as a comedian so I'm hoping your future looks bright.

Torchie The last Labour Government where 100% capitalist just like the Torys and so will be the next one, we had 32 years for Capitalism to get it right and they have failed big time, Capitalism do not work its designed for the few and not the many.

Of course they were. We live in a capitalist society.

If you don't want capitalism, show me a non-capitalist society that worked.

Russia?

Yugoslavia?

China?

Maybe you would opt for North Korea?


A non-capitalist society is a dream, not a reality.

Capitalism is OK when there is a good balance. What we are experiencing at present is a capitalist society that is out of balance, and that is what has to be addressed.

First off all you got to have Socialist country to have an example, Stalism is not Socialism its Socialism for a few Capitalist. The nearest any country had come to Socialism was Russia when under Lenin, after Lenin Russia reverted back to same type of government it had between spring 1917 to autumn 1917.
What was it Thatcher said about Kinnock "now here is a man I can work with".
What was it Blair said on going into number 10 after all the promises he made to the people that elected him into office to make changes "there will be no change in Thatcher policy"
And what was it Milliband has said "We want responsable Capitalism" there is no such thing. He also said "We want Good Capitalism" again there is no such thing, Capitalism is designed for the few and not the many.
Greed is bad for majority, and only good for the minority.

"Stalinism is not socialism, it's socialism". What?

Not very bright are you Georgem.

Stalinism is not Socialism, its Socialism for the few Capitalist. aka Neo-Nationalism very close to Thatcherism.

Openly insulting people now, I see, southy. Basic language lesson for you: if you say X is NOT Y, you cannot then say X IS Y.

Aside from your utter linguistics and logic fail, your politics are wrong, too. Simply naming endless "isms" doesn't mean much.

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Linesman wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Portswoodfoke wrote:
The damage labour did was far beyond one government term to fix, they greatly over estimated how fast they could recover the billions misspent.

We need deeper cuts to get rid of the waste of space council workers. Maybe 50% less staff would cause the ones left to work harder.

How many years are you going to blame Labour?

When you have a government who thinks it more important to make loans to the IMF, the Irish Republic and other countries, but fails to invest in British Industry, which results in rising unemployment figures, a return to recession was inevitable.

Still! Look on the bright side. The top earners have had a cut in the top rate of tax, so it can't all be bad.

With the Kendal Avenue half-wit still laying everything at Margaret Thatcher's door, the last Labour government will have to suffer for some time to come!

The half wit is your self Torchie your in total denial to lay the blame where it all started from, the problems today did start in the 80's.

Not surprisingly you lost track of the thread at the point where the question of how long the last Labour government was going to have to carry the blame was raised. I must be one of the few who actually wants you to win a seat at the next council election so that you can make a fool of yourself in front of a larger audience. I have advised you in the past to get a job as a comedian so I'm hoping your future looks bright.

Torchie The last Labour Government where 100% capitalist just like the Torys and so will be the next one, we had 32 years for Capitalism to get it right and they have failed big time, Capitalism do not work its designed for the few and not the many.

Of course they were. We live in a capitalist society.

If you don't want capitalism, show me a non-capitalist society that worked.

Russia?

Yugoslavia?

China?

Maybe you would opt for North Korea?


A non-capitalist society is a dream, not a reality.

Capitalism is OK when there is a good balance. What we are experiencing at present is a capitalist society that is out of balance, and that is what has to be addressed.

First off all you got to have Socialist country to have an example, Stalism is not Socialism its Socialism for a few Capitalist. The nearest any country had come to Socialism was Russia when under Lenin, after Lenin Russia reverted back to same type of government it had between spring 1917 to autumn 1917.
What was it Thatcher said about Kinnock "now here is a man I can work with".
What was it Blair said on going into number 10 after all the promises he made to the people that elected him into office to make changes "there will be no change in Thatcher policy"
And what was it Milliband has said "We want responsable Capitalism" there is no such thing. He also said "We want Good Capitalism" again there is no such thing, Capitalism is designed for the few and not the many.
Greed is bad for majority, and only good for the minority.

"Stalinism is not socialism, it's socialism". What?

Not very bright are you Georgem.

Stalinism is not Socialism, its Socialism for the few Capitalist. aka Neo-Nationalism very close to Thatcherism.

Openly insulting people now, I see, southy. Basic language lesson for you: if you say X is NOT Y, you cannot then say X IS Y.

Aside from your utter linguistics and logic fail, your politics are wrong, too. Simply naming endless "isms" doesn't mean much.

Thats because you do not know or under stand what the differences are, in what makes Socialism and what makes Capitalism

southy wrote:

Linesman wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Portswoodfoke wrote:
The damage labour did was far beyond one government term to fix, they greatly over estimated how fast they could recover the billions misspent.

We need deeper cuts to get rid of the waste of space council workers. Maybe 50% less staff would cause the ones left to work harder.

How many years are you going to blame Labour?

When you have a government who thinks it more important to make loans to the IMF, the Irish Republic and other countries, but fails to invest in British Industry, which results in rising unemployment figures, a return to recession was inevitable.

Still! Look on the bright side. The top earners have had a cut in the top rate of tax, so it can't all be bad.

With the Kendal Avenue half-wit still laying everything at Margaret Thatcher's door, the last Labour government will have to suffer for some time to come!

The half wit is your self Torchie your in total denial to lay the blame where it all started from, the problems today did start in the 80's.

Not surprisingly you lost track of the thread at the point where the question of how long the last Labour government was going to have to carry the blame was raised. I must be one of the few who actually wants you to win a seat at the next council election so that you can make a fool of yourself in front of a larger audience. I have advised you in the past to get a job as a comedian so I'm hoping your future looks bright.

Torchie The last Labour Government where 100% capitalist just like the Torys and so will be the next one, we had 32 years for Capitalism to get it right and they have failed big time, Capitalism do not work its designed for the few and not the many.

Of course they were. We live in a capitalist society.

If you don't want capitalism, show me a non-capitalist society that worked.

Russia?

Yugoslavia?

China?

Maybe you would opt for North Korea?


A non-capitalist society is a dream, not a reality.

Capitalism is OK when there is a good balance. What we are experiencing at present is a capitalist society that is out of balance, and that is what has to be addressed.

First off all you got to have Socialist country to have an example, Stalism is not Socialism its Socialism for a few Capitalist. The nearest any country had come to Socialism was Russia when under Lenin, after Lenin Russia reverted back to same type of government it had between spring 1917 to autumn 1917.
What was it Thatcher said about Kinnock "now here is a man I can work with".
What was it Blair said on going into number 10 after all the promises he made to the people that elected him into office to make changes "there will be no change in Thatcher policy"
And what was it Milliband has said "We want responsable Capitalism" there is no such thing. He also said "We want Good Capitalism" again there is no such thing, Capitalism is designed for the few and not the many.
Greed is bad for majority, and only good for the minority.

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Linesman wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Portswoodfoke wrote:
The damage labour did was far beyond one government term to fix, they greatly over estimated how fast they could recover the billions misspent.

We need deeper cuts to get rid of the waste of space council workers. Maybe 50% less staff would cause the ones left to work harder.

How many years are you going to blame Labour?

When you have a government who thinks it more important to make loans to the IMF, the Irish Republic and other countries, but fails to invest in British Industry, which results in rising unemployment figures, a return to recession was inevitable.

Still! Look on the bright side. The top earners have had a cut in the top rate of tax, so it can't all be bad.

With the Kendal Avenue half-wit still laying everything at Margaret Thatcher's door, the last Labour government will have to suffer for some time to come!

The half wit is your self Torchie your in total denial to lay the blame where it all started from, the problems today did start in the 80's.

Not surprisingly you lost track of the thread at the point where the question of how long the last Labour government was going to have to carry the blame was raised. I must be one of the few who actually wants you to win a seat at the next council election so that you can make a fool of yourself in front of a larger audience. I have advised you in the past to get a job as a comedian so I'm hoping your future looks bright.

Torchie The last Labour Government where 100% capitalist just like the Torys and so will be the next one, we had 32 years for Capitalism to get it right and they have failed big time, Capitalism do not work its designed for the few and not the many.

Of course they were. We live in a capitalist society.

If you don't want capitalism, show me a non-capitalist society that worked.

Russia?

Yugoslavia?

China?

Maybe you would opt for North Korea?


A non-capitalist society is a dream, not a reality.

Capitalism is OK when there is a good balance. What we are experiencing at present is a capitalist society that is out of balance, and that is what has to be addressed.

First off all you got to have Socialist country to have an example, Stalism is not Socialism its Socialism for a few Capitalist. The nearest any country had come to Socialism was Russia when under Lenin, after Lenin Russia reverted back to same type of government it had between spring 1917 to autumn 1917.
What was it Thatcher said about Kinnock "now here is a man I can work with".
What was it Blair said on going into number 10 after all the promises he made to the people that elected him into office to make changes "there will be no change in Thatcher policy"
And what was it Milliband has said "We want responsable Capitalism" there is no such thing. He also said "We want Good Capitalism" again there is no such thing, Capitalism is designed for the few and not the many.
Greed is bad for majority, and only good for the minority.

"Stalinism is not socialism, it's socialism". What?

Not very bright are you Georgem.

Stalinism is not Socialism, its Socialism for the few Capitalist. aka Neo-Nationalism very close to Thatcherism.

Openly insulting people now, I see, southy. Basic language lesson for you: if you say X is NOT Y, you cannot then say X IS Y.

Aside from your utter linguistics and logic fail, your politics are wrong, too. Simply naming endless "isms" doesn't mean much.

Thats because you do not know or under stand what the differences are, in what makes Socialism and what makes Capitalism

I do southy. You'd do well to stop thinking you're the only person here who knows anything. I could explain what's so utterly bogus about your statement, but I know for a fact - given how you normally proceed in these matters - that it would fall on deaf ears.

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Linesman wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Portswoodfoke wrote:
The damage labour did was far beyond one government term to fix, they greatly over estimated how fast they could recover the billions misspent.

We need deeper cuts to get rid of the waste of space council workers. Maybe 50% less staff would cause the ones left to work harder.

How many years are you going to blame Labour?

When you have a government who thinks it more important to make loans to the IMF, the Irish Republic and other countries, but fails to invest in British Industry, which results in rising unemployment figures, a return to recession was inevitable.

Still! Look on the bright side. The top earners have had a cut in the top rate of tax, so it can't all be bad.

With the Kendal Avenue half-wit still laying everything at Margaret Thatcher's door, the last Labour government will have to suffer for some time to come!

The half wit is your self Torchie your in total denial to lay the blame where it all started from, the problems today did start in the 80's.

Not surprisingly you lost track of the thread at the point where the question of how long the last Labour government was going to have to carry the blame was raised. I must be one of the few who actually wants you to win a seat at the next council election so that you can make a fool of yourself in front of a larger audience. I have advised you in the past to get a job as a comedian so I'm hoping your future looks bright.

Torchie The last Labour Government where 100% capitalist just like the Torys and so will be the next one, we had 32 years for Capitalism to get it right and they have failed big time, Capitalism do not work its designed for the few and not the many.

Of course they were. We live in a capitalist society.

If you don't want capitalism, show me a non-capitalist society that worked.

Russia?

Yugoslavia?

China?

Maybe you would opt for North Korea?


A non-capitalist society is a dream, not a reality.

Capitalism is OK when there is a good balance. What we are experiencing at present is a capitalist society that is out of balance, and that is what has to be addressed.

First off all you got to have Socialist country to have an example, Stalism is not Socialism its Socialism for a few Capitalist. The nearest any country had come to Socialism was Russia when under Lenin, after Lenin Russia reverted back to same type of government it had between spring 1917 to autumn 1917.
What was it Thatcher said about Kinnock "now here is a man I can work with".
What was it Blair said on going into number 10 after all the promises he made to the people that elected him into office to make changes "there will be no change in Thatcher policy"
And what was it Milliband has said "We want responsable Capitalism" there is no such thing. He also said "We want Good Capitalism" again there is no such thing, Capitalism is designed for the few and not the many.
Greed is bad for majority, and only good for the minority.

"Stalinism is not socialism, it's socialism". What?

Not very bright are you Georgem.

Stalinism is not Socialism, its Socialism for the few Capitalist. aka Neo-Nationalism very close to Thatcherism.

Openly insulting people now, I see, southy. Basic language lesson for you: if you say X is NOT Y, you cannot then say X IS Y.

Aside from your utter linguistics and logic fail, your politics are wrong, too. Simply naming endless "isms" doesn't mean much.

Thats because you do not know or under stand what the differences are, in what makes Socialism and what makes Capitalism

I do southy. You'd do well to stop thinking you're the only person here who knows anything. I could explain what's so utterly bogus about your statement, but I know for a fact - given how you normally proceed in these matters - that it would fall on deaf ears.

Taskforce 141 wrote:

bigfella777 wrote:
May I please be the first to say that today's disappointing news is in no way the fault of our two economic gurus, young George and heroic Dave.

Blame rests entirely with 1) the Labour party 2) Gordon Brown in particular 3) rich people paying too much tax 4) the Eurozone crisis 5) the Global economy 6) too many employment rights for workers 7) the broken society 8) the welfare
dependency culture 9) unseasonably hot weather 10) unseasonably cold weather 11) public sector workers 12) public sector pensions 13) interfering European bureaucrats 14) disabled people 15) people panic buying petrol 16) England's
series of cricket defeats this summer that has damaged confidence 17) the Royal wedding and the Queen's forthcoming anniversary celebrations meaning too many Bank Holidays 18) the Olympics

None of the absolute mess we now find ourselves in is the fault of the Coalition Government whatsoever. And I will take no truck from anyone who says otherwise.

George the destroyer of jobs, Dave the man with no plan!

1. Both parties are to blame!
2. Rich people paying too much tax? what twoddle - how does that even compute with you? Its the rich who are tax dodging denying the country vital funds!
3. Eurozone crisis - of course impacts as to does the global economy.
4. Too many employment rights for workers? What are you barking about - how about too many people slipping on banana skins and trying to sue tom, dick and harry!
5. Broken society - totally on there
6. Welfare dependency - excellent point
7. The weather - really? We must learn and adapt to cope with the environment - its ever changing - common sense!
8. Public sector workers... No they are the backbone of society these days, however public sector MANAGERS - waste of space and too many chiefs!
9. Interfering Europe - yep couldn't agree more
10. Disabled people? You are having a laugh aren't you? I will grant you fraudsters claiming incap benefit!
11. Idiots buying petrol - they're idiots!
12. Cricket... Perhaps confidence has been shaken, but when we get knocked out of the Euros ot will be even worse...
13. Too many bank holidays! Get stuffed! we have the least amount of bank holidays than any other nation - Christ if Italy has a law that no one can work on a Sunday - that's 52 days lost a year alone and its not affecting them that adversely.
14. Olympics - Waste of money when money is pivotal for country survival - just the wrong time for that.

your closing statement re the coalition makes no sense... If you are saying its not their fault - you are a mindless goon! if you are saying it is their fault - This is true but with help from the former labour government!

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Portswoodfoke wrote:
The damage labour did was far beyond one government term to fix, they greatly over estimated how fast they could recover the billions misspent.

We need deeper cuts to get rid of the waste of space council workers. Maybe 50% less staff would cause the ones left to work harder.

How many years are you going to blame Labour?

When you have a government who thinks it more important to make loans to the IMF, the Irish Republic and other countries, but fails to invest in British Industry, which results in rising unemployment figures, a return to recession was inevitable.

Still! Look on the bright side. The top earners have had a cut in the top rate of tax, so it can't all be bad.

With the Kendal Avenue half-wit still laying everything at Margaret Thatcher's door, the last Labour government will have to suffer for some time to come!

The half wit is your self Torchie your in total denial to lay the blame where it all started from, the problems today did start in the 80's.

Not surprisingly you lost track of the thread at the point where the question of how long the last Labour government was going to have to carry the blame was raised. I must be one of the few who actually wants you to win a seat at the next council election so that you can make a fool of yourself in front of a larger audience. I have advised you in the past to get a job as a comedian so I'm hoping your future looks bright.

Torchie The last Labour Government where 100% capitalist just like the Torys and so will be the next one, we had 32 years for Capitalism to get it right and they have failed big time, Capitalism do not work its designed for the few and not the many.

Window tax anyone, 200% on double glazing.