New plans for Southampton's Watermark WestQuay development go on show to public

Striking vision for new £70m WestQuay scheme

Striking vision for new £70m WestQuay scheme

Striking vision for new £70m WestQuay scheme

The site in Southampton as it currently looks

The site of the Watermark WestQuay development as seen from the air

First published in Hampshire Business Romsey Advertiser: Photograph of the Author Exclusive by , Education Reporter

A striking vision for a landmark £70m leisure development that promises to bring 500 new jobs to Southampton has been revealed today.

The Daily Echo can today reveal the first stunning pictures of the revised plans for the long-awaited Watermark WestQuay, which will go on show to the public today.

Developers hope to transform the existing patch of barren wasteland next to WestQuay Shopping Centre into a bustling centre filled with 16 restaurants, a luxury cinema and bowling alley, overlooking a tree-lined plaza linking to the city’s historic medieval walls.

They believe their vision provides a “statement” for the important project in the heart of Southampton, with “grand architecture” which will produce a building the city can be proud of.

International property firm Hammerson wants to complete the first phase of its exciting regeneration project, which city leaders hope can kick-start the local economy, within a little more than three years.

A second stage of the project, which would feature a distinctive 24-storey apartment block as well as bringing more jobs through shops and offices or a hotel, could follow two years later.

After 18 months working on the plans with Southampton City Council, the company today launches its public consultation on its proposals with a two-day exhibition, and aims to have a planning application lodged by February.

The outline application will include a single building reaching as tall as the shopping centre, with two rows of posh restaurants stretching down a slope from Portland Terrace.

They would look out over the landscaped square with its feature waterfalls and links through to the Podium car parks.

On the Harbour Parade side, family eateries would be connected to the existing multistorey car park by a new bridge over the road.

Above the food outlets, a floor will be given over to leisure facilities like a bowling alley or “family entertainment centre”, with the 12-screen cinema sitting on top of that, beneath a striking roof.

Hammerson’s development manager Guy Wells said the plans, which have previously included an ice rink, casino and boutique shops on the site, are now based on demand in the city centre, and revealed there have been “very positive” initial discussions with several potential operators.

If the planning stages go to plan, construction on the site could begin in 2014.

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8:27am Thu 6 Dec 12

hulla baloo says...

Wow, more shops and further traffic chaos into what is an already congested area. Is this really the best vision they have?
Wow, more shops and further traffic chaos into what is an already congested area. Is this really the best vision they have? hulla baloo
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8:35am Thu 6 Dec 12

The Wickham Man says...

hulla baloo wrote:
Wow, more shops and further traffic chaos into what is an already congested area. Is this really the best vision they have?
We can't have industry HB - it frightens the environmentalists. We want shops. Lots of them. Nice safe shops, all selling goods made abroad.
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Wow, more shops and further traffic chaos into what is an already congested area. Is this really the best vision they have?[/p][/quote]We can't have industry HB - it frightens the environmentalists. We want shops. Lots of them. Nice safe shops, all selling goods made abroad. The Wickham Man
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8:39am Thu 6 Dec 12

cherries_matty says...

What's that, a cinema you say? It's a good job that there isn't another three within a mile of this site then! Oh no, hold on...
What's that, a cinema you say? It's a good job that there isn't another three within a mile of this site then! Oh no, hold on... cherries_matty
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8:46am Thu 6 Dec 12

10 Minute Man says...

How tedious, another template 'leisure' facility - cinemas and a load of branded restaurants and bars selling the same uninspiring re-prepared food that you can buy at the equivalent centre in Gunwharf.
How tedious, another template 'leisure' facility - cinemas and a load of branded restaurants and bars selling the same uninspiring re-prepared food that you can buy at the equivalent centre in Gunwharf. 10 Minute Man
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9:11am Thu 6 Dec 12

Zeo says...

Now if they opened up the railway to the strip of land that's fenced off between Mayflower Park and Town Quay roundabout as a small train station that would really help remove traffic.
Now if they opened up the railway to the strip of land that's fenced off between Mayflower Park and Town Quay roundabout as a small train station that would really help remove traffic. Zeo
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9:14am Thu 6 Dec 12

gazdance says...

Alright you moaning Minnie's above - what's your big idea? What would you put there? How would you raise the city centre out of its existing mediocrity?

Southampton lags far behind most other cities when it comes to leisure facilities and I believe that the majority of people would welcome this scheme.

It's 2012, people love shopping, eating out and socialising.

There might be similar developments at Gunwharf but that's just the point - you have to GO there! The city needs things to attract people to visit, attract people to live and more importantly, keep them living here. It cannot do that if the city continues to be so utterly average.

There might already be three cinemas in the city - but that doesn't stop them selling out for the most popular films and ticket sales have increased year on year for several years now so there is obviously demand.

I'd love to know what would be so much better to develop there, I really would.
Alright you moaning Minnie's above - what's your big idea? What would you put there? How would you raise the city centre out of its existing mediocrity? Southampton lags far behind most other cities when it comes to leisure facilities and I believe that the majority of people would welcome this scheme. It's 2012, people love shopping, eating out and socialising. There might be similar developments at Gunwharf but that's just the point - you have to GO there! The city needs things to attract people to visit, attract people to live and more importantly, keep them living here. It cannot do that if the city continues to be so utterly average. There might already be three cinemas in the city - but that doesn't stop them selling out for the most popular films and ticket sales have increased year on year for several years now so there is obviously demand. I'd love to know what would be so much better to develop there, I really would. gazdance
  • Score: 0

9:21am Thu 6 Dec 12

Zeo says...

I'm waiting for someone to say 'Ice Rink'
I'm waiting for someone to say 'Ice Rink' Zeo
  • Score: 1

9:25am Thu 6 Dec 12

Cyber__Fug says...

Isn't reading the Daily Echo lately just like watching the "Dave" channel on Sky.
Isn't reading the Daily Echo lately just like watching the "Dave" channel on Sky. Cyber__Fug
  • Score: 0

9:38am Thu 6 Dec 12

badengk1 says...

gazdance wrote:
Alright you moaning Minnie's above - what's your big idea? What would you put there? How would you raise the city centre out of its existing mediocrity?

Southampton lags far behind most other cities when it comes to leisure facilities and I believe that the majority of people would welcome this scheme.

It's 2012, people love shopping, eating out and socialising.

There might be similar developments at Gunwharf but that's just the point - you have to GO there! The city needs things to attract people to visit, attract people to live and more importantly, keep them living here. It cannot do that if the city continues to be so utterly average.

There might already be three cinemas in the city - but that doesn't stop them selling out for the most popular films and ticket sales have increased year on year for several years now so there is obviously demand.

I'd love to know what would be so much better to develop there, I really would.
Well said. This city needs to redevelop to create more jobs, create more things for families and friends to do. This might mean that Ocean village cinema might close down and then redevelop into something else which could attact people, such as maybe the ice rink or something like that.
Yes traffic getting into town is a nightmere but what else can the City do? They provide free bus service from the train station to various points around southampton so why not use them.
I look forward to having a few more shops and options for evening meals and entertainment out.
[quote][p][bold]gazdance[/bold] wrote: Alright you moaning Minnie's above - what's your big idea? What would you put there? How would you raise the city centre out of its existing mediocrity? Southampton lags far behind most other cities when it comes to leisure facilities and I believe that the majority of people would welcome this scheme. It's 2012, people love shopping, eating out and socialising. There might be similar developments at Gunwharf but that's just the point - you have to GO there! The city needs things to attract people to visit, attract people to live and more importantly, keep them living here. It cannot do that if the city continues to be so utterly average. There might already be three cinemas in the city - but that doesn't stop them selling out for the most popular films and ticket sales have increased year on year for several years now so there is obviously demand. I'd love to know what would be so much better to develop there, I really would.[/p][/quote]Well said. This city needs to redevelop to create more jobs, create more things for families and friends to do. This might mean that Ocean village cinema might close down and then redevelop into something else which could attact people, such as maybe the ice rink or something like that. Yes traffic getting into town is a nightmere but what else can the City do? They provide free bus service from the train station to various points around southampton so why not use them. I look forward to having a few more shops and options for evening meals and entertainment out. badengk1
  • Score: 1

9:53am Thu 6 Dec 12

elvisimo says...

badengk1 wrote:
gazdance wrote: Alright you moaning Minnie's above - what's your big idea? What would you put there? How would you raise the city centre out of its existing mediocrity? Southampton lags far behind most other cities when it comes to leisure facilities and I believe that the majority of people would welcome this scheme. It's 2012, people love shopping, eating out and socialising. There might be similar developments at Gunwharf but that's just the point - you have to GO there! The city needs things to attract people to visit, attract people to live and more importantly, keep them living here. It cannot do that if the city continues to be so utterly average. There might already be three cinemas in the city - but that doesn't stop them selling out for the most popular films and ticket sales have increased year on year for several years now so there is obviously demand. I'd love to know what would be so much better to develop there, I really would.
Well said. This city needs to redevelop to create more jobs, create more things for families and friends to do. This might mean that Ocean village cinema might close down and then redevelop into something else which could attact people, such as maybe the ice rink or something like that. Yes traffic getting into town is a nightmere but what else can the City do? They provide free bus service from the train station to various points around southampton so why not use them. I look forward to having a few more shops and options for evening meals and entertainment out.
Agreed - the scheme is based around leisure. It will extend the city centre offer and trading hours. If people think the likes of Carluccios and Cote are beneath them then they must have very high standards.
As for their being a cinema nearly - hmm would you like to walk there accoss a dual carriageway , get past the nightclub, bars to take your family there? probably not. Unless you have not taste. The offer there is dated, poor quality and the cinema is nearing the end of its useful life.
Southamptons night time offer is woeful. This will be great.
[quote][p][bold]badengk1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gazdance[/bold] wrote: Alright you moaning Minnie's above - what's your big idea? What would you put there? How would you raise the city centre out of its existing mediocrity? Southampton lags far behind most other cities when it comes to leisure facilities and I believe that the majority of people would welcome this scheme. It's 2012, people love shopping, eating out and socialising. There might be similar developments at Gunwharf but that's just the point - you have to GO there! The city needs things to attract people to visit, attract people to live and more importantly, keep them living here. It cannot do that if the city continues to be so utterly average. There might already be three cinemas in the city - but that doesn't stop them selling out for the most popular films and ticket sales have increased year on year for several years now so there is obviously demand. I'd love to know what would be so much better to develop there, I really would.[/p][/quote]Well said. This city needs to redevelop to create more jobs, create more things for families and friends to do. This might mean that Ocean village cinema might close down and then redevelop into something else which could attact people, such as maybe the ice rink or something like that. Yes traffic getting into town is a nightmere but what else can the City do? They provide free bus service from the train station to various points around southampton so why not use them. I look forward to having a few more shops and options for evening meals and entertainment out.[/p][/quote]Agreed - the scheme is based around leisure. It will extend the city centre offer and trading hours. If people think the likes of Carluccios and Cote are beneath them then they must have very high standards. As for their being a cinema nearly - hmm would you like to walk there accoss a dual carriageway , get past the nightclub, bars to take your family there? probably not. Unless you have not taste. The offer there is dated, poor quality and the cinema is nearing the end of its useful life. Southamptons night time offer is woeful. This will be great. elvisimo
  • Score: 1

10:17am Thu 6 Dec 12

arthur dalyrimple says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
Wow, more shops and further traffic chaos into what is an already congested area. Is this really the best vision they have?
We can't have industry HB - it frightens the environmentalists. We want shops. Lots of them. Nice safe shops, all selling goods made abroad.
goods made abroad for a pittance and sold here at top price,
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Wow, more shops and further traffic chaos into what is an already congested area. Is this really the best vision they have?[/p][/quote]We can't have industry HB - it frightens the environmentalists. We want shops. Lots of them. Nice safe shops, all selling goods made abroad.[/p][/quote]goods made abroad for a pittance and sold here at top price, arthur dalyrimple
  • Score: 1

10:33am Thu 6 Dec 12

loosehead says...

Make the cinemas cheaper then you would have full houses even with new cinemas,
put up prices & it works out cheaper to buy the DVD than to go to pictures.
I hear some one go on about heavy industry or manufacturing?
Wasn't there once an enterprise zone/freeport inside the docks?
Didn't Martini's go there until it stopped being a freeport?
Exactly what type of manufacturing industry could/would you put there?
Make the cinemas cheaper then you would have full houses even with new cinemas, put up prices & it works out cheaper to buy the DVD than to go to pictures. I hear some one go on about heavy industry or manufacturing? Wasn't there once an enterprise zone/freeport inside the docks? Didn't Martini's go there until it stopped being a freeport? Exactly what type of manufacturing industry could/would you put there? loosehead
  • Score: -1

10:43am Thu 6 Dec 12

cliffwalker says...

I make no comment on the content of this development but I am against extending high rise buildings along the line of the longest remaining section of the old town walls.

If the pictures are an accurate depiction of the proposals, the old walls will be completely overshadowed and dwarfed and the biggest historic attraction in Southampton will be virtually buried.
I make no comment on the content of this development but I am against extending high rise buildings along the line of the longest remaining section of the old town walls. If the pictures are an accurate depiction of the proposals, the old walls will be completely overshadowed and dwarfed and the biggest historic attraction in Southampton will be virtually buried. cliffwalker
  • Score: 0

10:53am Thu 6 Dec 12

Sotonborn says...

loosehead wrote:
Make the cinemas cheaper then you would have full houses even with new cinemas,
put up prices & it works out cheaper to buy the DVD than to go to pictures.
I hear some one go on about heavy industry or manufacturing?
Wasn't there once an enterprise zone/freeport inside the docks?
Didn't Martini's go there until it stopped being a freeport?
Exactly what type of manufacturing industry could/would you put there?
Maybe a cable manufacturing plant would fit there nicely?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Make the cinemas cheaper then you would have full houses even with new cinemas, put up prices & it works out cheaper to buy the DVD than to go to pictures. I hear some one go on about heavy industry or manufacturing? Wasn't there once an enterprise zone/freeport inside the docks? Didn't Martini's go there until it stopped being a freeport? Exactly what type of manufacturing industry could/would you put there?[/p][/quote]Maybe a cable manufacturing plant would fit there nicely? Sotonborn
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11:04am Thu 6 Dec 12

Jeremy99 says...

I can't understand why some people are being negative about this. It's going to provide jobs, more leisure facilities, bars and restaurants, to an area that's undeveloped and unused. It will make Southampton a better city and give more incentives for people wishing to move to the area.
I can't understand why some people are being negative about this. It's going to provide jobs, more leisure facilities, bars and restaurants, to an area that's undeveloped and unused. It will make Southampton a better city and give more incentives for people wishing to move to the area. Jeremy99
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11:43am Thu 6 Dec 12

gazdance says...

cliffwalker wrote:
I make no comment on the content of this development but I am against extending high rise buildings along the line of the longest remaining section of the old town walls.

If the pictures are an accurate depiction of the proposals, the old walls will be completely overshadowed and dwarfed and the biggest historic attraction in Southampton will be virtually buried.
This is a very valid point.

However, the current layout - and I'm referring to the section between the M&S side of West Quay and The Quays leisure centre - is a wasteland. It hardly invites people to go there or even notice the old walls in that section.

I'm sure that one of the plans I've seen makes the section in front of the old walls into a large, open plan plaza that would serve as a meeting point/entrance to the new development and would actually make more of a feature of that section of the old walls.

Imagine, the restaurants that could be there with seating and windows out to the plaza and walls beyond, as well as it being used occasionally for performing arts with those as a backdrop. If the council or the developer could invest in some lighting for that section of the walls as they have for other areas, it could be a pleasing way to make something of Southampton's history rather than cover it up.

Much better than leaving it as it is now, don't you think?
[quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: I make no comment on the content of this development but I am against extending high rise buildings along the line of the longest remaining section of the old town walls. If the pictures are an accurate depiction of the proposals, the old walls will be completely overshadowed and dwarfed and the biggest historic attraction in Southampton will be virtually buried.[/p][/quote]This is a very valid point. However, the current layout - and I'm referring to the section between the M&S side of West Quay and The Quays leisure centre - is a wasteland. It hardly invites people to go there or even notice the old walls in that section. I'm sure that one of the plans I've seen makes the section in front of the old walls into a large, open plan plaza that would serve as a meeting point/entrance to the new development and would actually make more of a feature of that section of the old walls. Imagine, the restaurants that could be there with seating and windows out to the plaza and walls beyond, as well as it being used occasionally for performing arts with those as a backdrop. If the council or the developer could invest in some lighting for that section of the walls as they have for other areas, it could be a pleasing way to make something of Southampton's history rather than cover it up. Much better than leaving it as it is now, don't you think? gazdance
  • Score: 0

12:51pm Thu 6 Dec 12

peenut81 says...

I do hope no one uses Echo headlines as a quick way of caculating the amount of 'new jobs' in Southampton. There's a lot of double/triple counting.

I know the Echo is a Tory rag but this is a sneaky way of making people believe there is more economic activity than really exists.

Good luck on building a new facility btw that requires the public having purchasing power, as Britain is going to be in and out of recession until 2022 at least, i suspect we will see more empty units then full ones,
I do hope no one uses Echo headlines as a quick way of caculating the amount of 'new jobs' in Southampton. There's a lot of double/triple counting. I know the Echo is a Tory rag but this is a sneaky way of making people believe there is more economic activity than really exists. Good luck on building a new facility btw that requires the public having purchasing power, as Britain is going to be in and out of recession until 2022 at least, i suspect we will see more empty units then full ones, peenut81
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1:16pm Thu 6 Dec 12

miltonarcher says...

peenut81 wrote:
I do hope no one uses Echo headlines as a quick way of caculating the amount of 'new jobs' in Southampton. There's a lot of double/triple counting.

I know the Echo is a Tory rag but this is a sneaky way of making people believe there is more economic activity than really exists.

Good luck on building a new facility btw that requires the public having purchasing power, as Britain is going to be in and out of recession until 2022 at least, i suspect we will see more empty units then full ones,
Oooops Mr bitter and twisted strikes again. Wow! Look at that massive chip on your shoulder. Get a life for pities sake you miserable nut. This is good news for the city, and for jobs, and for construction. And that is what really gets to you. You hate good news because you like to swill around in negativity hoping things go wrong so that your left wing chums can get back in and repeat the mess they made last time.
[quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: I do hope no one uses Echo headlines as a quick way of caculating the amount of 'new jobs' in Southampton. There's a lot of double/triple counting. I know the Echo is a Tory rag but this is a sneaky way of making people believe there is more economic activity than really exists. Good luck on building a new facility btw that requires the public having purchasing power, as Britain is going to be in and out of recession until 2022 at least, i suspect we will see more empty units then full ones,[/p][/quote]Oooops Mr bitter and twisted strikes again. Wow! Look at that massive chip on your shoulder. Get a life for pities sake you miserable nut. This is good news for the city, and for jobs, and for construction. And that is what really gets to you. You hate good news because you like to swill around in negativity hoping things go wrong so that your left wing chums can get back in and repeat the mess they made last time. miltonarcher
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1:24pm Thu 6 Dec 12

loosehead says...

peenut81 wrote:
I do hope no one uses Echo headlines as a quick way of caculating the amount of 'new jobs' in Southampton. There's a lot of double/triple counting.

I know the Echo is a Tory rag but this is a sneaky way of making people believe there is more economic activity than really exists.

Good luck on building a new facility btw that requires the public having purchasing power, as Britain is going to be in and out of recession until 2022 at least, i suspect we will see more empty units then full ones,
Tory Rag? Funny before the local elections I thought it was a Labour mouthpiece?
Seems the Echo makes sure the ruling party is brought to task no matter what party they are or is that not in the left's way of thinking?
[quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: I do hope no one uses Echo headlines as a quick way of caculating the amount of 'new jobs' in Southampton. There's a lot of double/triple counting. I know the Echo is a Tory rag but this is a sneaky way of making people believe there is more economic activity than really exists. Good luck on building a new facility btw that requires the public having purchasing power, as Britain is going to be in and out of recession until 2022 at least, i suspect we will see more empty units then full ones,[/p][/quote]Tory Rag? Funny before the local elections I thought it was a Labour mouthpiece? Seems the Echo makes sure the ruling party is brought to task no matter what party they are or is that not in the left's way of thinking? loosehead
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1:27pm Thu 6 Dec 12

loosehead says...

Sotonborn wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Make the cinemas cheaper then you would have full houses even with new cinemas,
put up prices & it works out cheaper to buy the DVD than to go to pictures.
I hear some one go on about heavy industry or manufacturing?
Wasn't there once an enterprise zone/freeport inside the docks?
Didn't Martini's go there until it stopped being a freeport?
Exactly what type of manufacturing industry could/would you put there?
Maybe a cable manufacturing plant would fit there nicely?
Oh you mean like Pirelli & Standard Cables & where are they now?
After going to Town this morning if they build this they will have to double the car parking as I queued to get into a car park
[quote][p][bold]Sotonborn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Make the cinemas cheaper then you would have full houses even with new cinemas, put up prices & it works out cheaper to buy the DVD than to go to pictures. I hear some one go on about heavy industry or manufacturing? Wasn't there once an enterprise zone/freeport inside the docks? Didn't Martini's go there until it stopped being a freeport? Exactly what type of manufacturing industry could/would you put there?[/p][/quote]Maybe a cable manufacturing plant would fit there nicely?[/p][/quote]Oh you mean like Pirelli & Standard Cables & where are they now? After going to Town this morning if they build this they will have to double the car parking as I queued to get into a car park loosehead
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1:35pm Thu 6 Dec 12

st1halo says...

badengk1 wrote:
gazdance wrote:
Alright you moaning Minnie's above - what's your big idea? What would you put there? How would you raise the city centre out of its existing mediocrity?

Southampton lags far behind most other cities when it comes to leisure facilities and I believe that the majority of people would welcome this scheme.

It's 2012, people love shopping, eating out and socialising.

There might be similar developments at Gunwharf but that's just the point - you have to GO there! The city needs things to attract people to visit, attract people to live and more importantly, keep them living here. It cannot do that if the city continues to be so utterly average.

There might already be three cinemas in the city - but that doesn't stop them selling out for the most popular films and ticket sales have increased year on year for several years now so there is obviously demand.

I'd love to know what would be so much better to develop there, I really would.
Well said. This city needs to redevelop to create more jobs, create more things for families and friends to do. This might mean that Ocean village cinema might close down and then redevelop into something else which could attact people, such as maybe the ice rink or something like that.
Yes traffic getting into town is a nightmere but what else can the City do? They provide free bus service from the train station to various points around southampton so why not use them.
I look forward to having a few more shops and options for evening meals and entertainment out.
I believe that's what was said in the 1930's!! Consequently the tree lined beach and promenade and the beautiful Victorian buildings which stretched along this same route were wiped out. filled in and turned into the docks!
All in the name of bringing jobs into the city, I know which one I would have preferred given the choice.
I have no qualms about more restaurants or whatever but I don't see why it has to be more glass and steel futuristic garbage that you find in every city in the Western world! Take a look at Southampton from the other side of Itchen Bridge. It looks like Legoland! If we are going to build something, let's make it unique that will stand the test of time and with character, not just a bigger version of the Bargate centre or Ocean Village (deceased) and not something that will purely pander to the corporates!
[quote][p][bold]badengk1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gazdance[/bold] wrote: Alright you moaning Minnie's above - what's your big idea? What would you put there? How would you raise the city centre out of its existing mediocrity? Southampton lags far behind most other cities when it comes to leisure facilities and I believe that the majority of people would welcome this scheme. It's 2012, people love shopping, eating out and socialising. There might be similar developments at Gunwharf but that's just the point - you have to GO there! The city needs things to attract people to visit, attract people to live and more importantly, keep them living here. It cannot do that if the city continues to be so utterly average. There might already be three cinemas in the city - but that doesn't stop them selling out for the most popular films and ticket sales have increased year on year for several years now so there is obviously demand. I'd love to know what would be so much better to develop there, I really would.[/p][/quote]Well said. This city needs to redevelop to create more jobs, create more things for families and friends to do. This might mean that Ocean village cinema might close down and then redevelop into something else which could attact people, such as maybe the ice rink or something like that. Yes traffic getting into town is a nightmere but what else can the City do? They provide free bus service from the train station to various points around southampton so why not use them. I look forward to having a few more shops and options for evening meals and entertainment out.[/p][/quote]I believe that's what was said in the 1930's!! Consequently the tree lined beach and promenade and the beautiful Victorian buildings which stretched along this same route were wiped out. filled in and turned into the docks! All in the name of bringing jobs into the city, I know which one I would have preferred given the choice. I have no qualms about more restaurants or whatever but I don't see why it has to be more glass and steel futuristic garbage that you find in every city in the Western world! Take a look at Southampton from the other side of Itchen Bridge. It looks like Legoland! If we are going to build something, let's make it unique that will stand the test of time and with character, not just a bigger version of the Bargate centre or Ocean Village (deceased) and not something that will purely pander to the corporates! st1halo
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1:41pm Thu 6 Dec 12

st1halo says...

gazdance wrote:
cliffwalker wrote:
I make no comment on the content of this development but I am against extending high rise buildings along the line of the longest remaining section of the old town walls.

If the pictures are an accurate depiction of the proposals, the old walls will be completely overshadowed and dwarfed and the biggest historic attraction in Southampton will be virtually buried.
This is a very valid point.

However, the current layout - and I'm referring to the section between the M&S side of West Quay and The Quays leisure centre - is a wasteland. It hardly invites people to go there or even notice the old walls in that section.

I'm sure that one of the plans I've seen makes the section in front of the old walls into a large, open plan plaza that would serve as a meeting point/entrance to the new development and would actually make more of a feature of that section of the old walls.

Imagine, the restaurants that could be there with seating and windows out to the plaza and walls beyond, as well as it being used occasionally for performing arts with those as a backdrop. If the council or the developer could invest in some lighting for that section of the walls as they have for other areas, it could be a pleasing way to make something of Southampton's history rather than cover it up.

Much better than leaving it as it is now, don't you think?
Are you referring to the 'Saturday Night Fever' Lighting down by the DeVere that they spent £70,000 on!
Yeah that's great that is!
Better still, let's cover the walls with electronic advertising boards like Picadilly! The council would if they could get away with it!
[quote][p][bold]gazdance[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: I make no comment on the content of this development but I am against extending high rise buildings along the line of the longest remaining section of the old town walls. If the pictures are an accurate depiction of the proposals, the old walls will be completely overshadowed and dwarfed and the biggest historic attraction in Southampton will be virtually buried.[/p][/quote]This is a very valid point. However, the current layout - and I'm referring to the section between the M&S side of West Quay and The Quays leisure centre - is a wasteland. It hardly invites people to go there or even notice the old walls in that section. I'm sure that one of the plans I've seen makes the section in front of the old walls into a large, open plan plaza that would serve as a meeting point/entrance to the new development and would actually make more of a feature of that section of the old walls. Imagine, the restaurants that could be there with seating and windows out to the plaza and walls beyond, as well as it being used occasionally for performing arts with those as a backdrop. If the council or the developer could invest in some lighting for that section of the walls as they have for other areas, it could be a pleasing way to make something of Southampton's history rather than cover it up. Much better than leaving it as it is now, don't you think?[/p][/quote]Are you referring to the 'Saturday Night Fever' Lighting down by the DeVere that they spent £70,000 on! Yeah that's great that is! Better still, let's cover the walls with electronic advertising boards like Picadilly! The council would if they could get away with it! st1halo
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1:46pm Thu 6 Dec 12

loosehead says...

I thought the Idea was to light up the old walls & make them the central piece of this development with an arena area right in front of them?
I thought the Idea was to light up the old walls & make them the central piece of this development with an arena area right in front of them? loosehead
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3:00pm Thu 6 Dec 12

THE BRICK says...

Same old same old same old...........I was hoping that after Rambo Royston had gone we may have had a bit more thought and vision. But no, the developers still have the Cyclops vision they always had, and included the same old tired mix of retail, hotels, resturants.......ano
ther cinema, bowling alley, yeah we're all going to flock to that, sure.........yet once again, one item thats been left off, and especially for our redundant archaeology department..........
trala!!!!! AN ICE RINK, and before all the trolls and developer shills start throwing ice at me, the old ice rink made money, the temporary ice rink made money (thats why its back this year) and Gosport rink is making wodges of cash and thats going to have a major refurbishment later this year because its worth it.

Its just because this council has no vision, they care not for the residents, only for business, and of course Hammerson being a multinational PLC who guide and corral the sheeple to strip them of their money. Leisure, to these people isn't healthy leisure, its eating and drinking and shopping. Real good fun eh.........
Same old same old same old...........I was hoping that after Rambo Royston had gone we may have had a bit more thought and vision. But no, the developers still have the Cyclops vision they always had, and included the same old tired mix of retail, hotels, resturants.......ano ther cinema, bowling alley, yeah we're all going to flock to that, sure.........yet once again, one item thats been left off, and especially for our redundant archaeology department.......... trala!!!!! AN ICE RINK, and before all the trolls and developer shills start throwing ice at me, the old ice rink made money, the temporary ice rink made money (thats why its back this year) and Gosport rink is making wodges of cash and thats going to have a major refurbishment later this year because its worth it. Its just because this council has no vision, they care not for the residents, only for business, and of course Hammerson being a multinational PLC who guide and corral the sheeple to strip them of their money. Leisure, to these people isn't healthy leisure, its eating and drinking and shopping. Real good fun eh......... THE BRICK
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3:24pm Thu 6 Dec 12

THE BRICK says...

miltonarcher wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
I do hope no one uses Echo headlines as a quick way of caculating the amount of 'new jobs' in Southampton. There's a lot of double/triple counting.

I know the Echo is a Tory rag but this is a sneaky way of making people believe there is more economic activity than really exists.

Good luck on building a new facility btw that requires the public having purchasing power, as Britain is going to be in and out of recession until 2022 at least, i suspect we will see more empty units then full ones,
Oooops Mr bitter and twisted strikes again. Wow! Look at that massive chip on your shoulder. Get a life for pities sake you miserable nut. This is good news for the city, and for jobs, and for construction. And that is what really gets to you. You hate good news because you like to swill around in negativity hoping things go wrong so that your left wing chums can get back in and repeat the mess they made last time.
The one thing that really annoys me more than OsUnborne and his 'We're all in this together' is when someone blames the mess we are in on one political party. Lets get this right the first time shall we, Labour didn't get everything right, of course they didn't, and yes they did waste money on wars that we shouldn't have been fighting and still are, BUT the economical meltdown was BANK DEBT, and that was global, God could have been the PM at the time, it would have been the same result, because the neo conservative elite who really run most of the global economy want it that way, regardless of who is in power in the UK. So WAKE UP, do some research before spouting the same old chestnut that the tory criminal party want you to believe, because that just causes division amongst the population. If you think OsUnborne is doing a good job, you will be so shocked when the economy collapses early in 2013, Camerwrong loses his job to Nick Boles MP because he is going to replace him very soon.

I'm not bitter and twisted, just very awake and realistic of what is really going on.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: I do hope no one uses Echo headlines as a quick way of caculating the amount of 'new jobs' in Southampton. There's a lot of double/triple counting. I know the Echo is a Tory rag but this is a sneaky way of making people believe there is more economic activity than really exists. Good luck on building a new facility btw that requires the public having purchasing power, as Britain is going to be in and out of recession until 2022 at least, i suspect we will see more empty units then full ones,[/p][/quote]Oooops Mr bitter and twisted strikes again. Wow! Look at that massive chip on your shoulder. Get a life for pities sake you miserable nut. This is good news for the city, and for jobs, and for construction. And that is what really gets to you. You hate good news because you like to swill around in negativity hoping things go wrong so that your left wing chums can get back in and repeat the mess they made last time.[/p][/quote]The one thing that really annoys me more than OsUnborne and his 'We're all in this together' is when someone blames the mess we are in on one political party. Lets get this right the first time shall we, Labour didn't get everything right, of course they didn't, and yes they did waste money on wars that we shouldn't have been fighting and still are, BUT the economical meltdown was BANK DEBT, and that was global, God could have been the PM at the time, it would have been the same result, because the neo conservative elite who really run most of the global economy want it that way, regardless of who is in power in the UK. So WAKE UP, do some research before spouting the same old chestnut that the tory criminal party want you to believe, because that just causes division amongst the population. If you think OsUnborne is doing a good job, you will be so shocked when the economy collapses early in 2013, Camerwrong loses his job to Nick Boles MP because he is going to replace him very soon. I'm not bitter and twisted, just very awake and realistic of what is really going on. THE BRICK
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4:07pm Thu 6 Dec 12

kingnotail says...

10 Minute Man wrote:
How tedious, another template 'leisure' facility - cinemas and a load of branded restaurants and bars selling the same uninspiring re-prepared food that you can buy at the equivalent centre in Gunwharf.
Southampton has absolutely nothing to compete with Gunwharf Quays. There are a number of quality eateries at Gunwharf (Brasserie Blanc, Las Iguanas, Jamie's, La Tasca, Cafe Rouge, Loch Fyne, Zizzi..) which have still never seen the light of day in Southampton. There are also many shops in GQ which cannot be found in Southampton. In fact, the only advantage that Southampton has over Portsmouth in terms of shopping is Ikea and a larger M&S and John Lewis. The new WestQuay development may at least redress the balance a little, if they can actually bring themselves to let the restaurants open later than 7.30pm!

And it's hardly like Southampton is a beacon of non-'uninspiring re-prepared food' as it stands!
[quote][p][bold]10 Minute Man[/bold] wrote: How tedious, another template 'leisure' facility - cinemas and a load of branded restaurants and bars selling the same uninspiring re-prepared food that you can buy at the equivalent centre in Gunwharf.[/p][/quote]Southampton has absolutely nothing to compete with Gunwharf Quays. There are a number of quality eateries at Gunwharf (Brasserie Blanc, Las Iguanas, Jamie's, La Tasca, Cafe Rouge, Loch Fyne, Zizzi..) which have still never seen the light of day in Southampton. There are also many shops in GQ which cannot be found in Southampton. In fact, the only advantage that Southampton has over Portsmouth in terms of shopping is Ikea and a larger M&S and John Lewis. The new WestQuay development may at least redress the balance a little, if they can actually bring themselves to let the restaurants open later than 7.30pm! And it's hardly like Southampton is a beacon of non-'uninspiring re-prepared food' as it stands! kingnotail
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4:10pm Thu 6 Dec 12

kingnotail says...

st1halo wrote:
badengk1 wrote:
gazdance wrote:
Alright you moaning Minnie's above - what's your big idea? What would you put there? How would you raise the city centre out of its existing mediocrity?

Southampton lags far behind most other cities when it comes to leisure facilities and I believe that the majority of people would welcome this scheme.

It's 2012, people love shopping, eating out and socialising.

There might be similar developments at Gunwharf but that's just the point - you have to GO there! The city needs things to attract people to visit, attract people to live and more importantly, keep them living here. It cannot do that if the city continues to be so utterly average.

There might already be three cinemas in the city - but that doesn't stop them selling out for the most popular films and ticket sales have increased year on year for several years now so there is obviously demand.

I'd love to know what would be so much better to develop there, I really would.
Well said. This city needs to redevelop to create more jobs, create more things for families and friends to do. This might mean that Ocean village cinema might close down and then redevelop into something else which could attact people, such as maybe the ice rink or something like that.
Yes traffic getting into town is a nightmere but what else can the City do? They provide free bus service from the train station to various points around southampton so why not use them.
I look forward to having a few more shops and options for evening meals and entertainment out.
I believe that's what was said in the 1930's!! Consequently the tree lined beach and promenade and the beautiful Victorian buildings which stretched along this same route were wiped out. filled in and turned into the docks!
All in the name of bringing jobs into the city, I know which one I would have preferred given the choice.
I have no qualms about more restaurants or whatever but I don't see why it has to be more glass and steel futuristic garbage that you find in every city in the Western world! Take a look at Southampton from the other side of Itchen Bridge. It looks like Legoland! If we are going to build something, let's make it unique that will stand the test of time and with character, not just a bigger version of the Bargate centre or Ocean Village (deceased) and not something that will purely pander to the corporates!
Nonsense. Legoland looks attractive!
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]badengk1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gazdance[/bold] wrote: Alright you moaning Minnie's above - what's your big idea? What would you put there? How would you raise the city centre out of its existing mediocrity? Southampton lags far behind most other cities when it comes to leisure facilities and I believe that the majority of people would welcome this scheme. It's 2012, people love shopping, eating out and socialising. There might be similar developments at Gunwharf but that's just the point - you have to GO there! The city needs things to attract people to visit, attract people to live and more importantly, keep them living here. It cannot do that if the city continues to be so utterly average. There might already be three cinemas in the city - but that doesn't stop them selling out for the most popular films and ticket sales have increased year on year for several years now so there is obviously demand. I'd love to know what would be so much better to develop there, I really would.[/p][/quote]Well said. This city needs to redevelop to create more jobs, create more things for families and friends to do. This might mean that Ocean village cinema might close down and then redevelop into something else which could attact people, such as maybe the ice rink or something like that. Yes traffic getting into town is a nightmere but what else can the City do? They provide free bus service from the train station to various points around southampton so why not use them. I look forward to having a few more shops and options for evening meals and entertainment out.[/p][/quote]I believe that's what was said in the 1930's!! Consequently the tree lined beach and promenade and the beautiful Victorian buildings which stretched along this same route were wiped out. filled in and turned into the docks! All in the name of bringing jobs into the city, I know which one I would have preferred given the choice. I have no qualms about more restaurants or whatever but I don't see why it has to be more glass and steel futuristic garbage that you find in every city in the Western world! Take a look at Southampton from the other side of Itchen Bridge. It looks like Legoland! If we are going to build something, let's make it unique that will stand the test of time and with character, not just a bigger version of the Bargate centre or Ocean Village (deceased) and not something that will purely pander to the corporates![/p][/quote]Nonsense. Legoland looks attractive! kingnotail
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4:27pm Thu 6 Dec 12

elvisimo says...

THE BRICK wrote:
Same old same old same old...........I was hoping that after Rambo Royston had gone we may have had a bit more thought and vision. But no, the developers still have the Cyclops vision they always had, and included the same old tired mix of retail, hotels, resturants.......ano

ther cinema, bowling alley, yeah we're all going to flock to that, sure.........yet once again, one item thats been left off, and especially for our redundant archaeology department..........

trala!!!!! AN ICE RINK, and before all the trolls and developer shills start throwing ice at me, the old ice rink made money, the temporary ice rink made money (thats why its back this year) and Gosport rink is making wodges of cash and thats going to have a major refurbishment later this year because its worth it.

Its just because this council has no vision, they care not for the residents, only for business, and of course Hammerson being a multinational PLC who guide and corral the sheeple to strip them of their money. Leisure, to these people isn't healthy leisure, its eating and drinking and shopping. Real good fun eh.........
Not trolls just better informed. Planet ice the operators of gosport ice rink were issued with a winding up petition and had to avoid admin by separating out their business into various holing companies.
Credit check them and tell me how much money they make (lose).
If you have problems with you food or alcohol consumption or indeed want if for free, stay away.
Or perhaps look at some of their other developments such as Highcross, Bullring, silverburn, broadmead and get of perspective.
[quote][p][bold]THE BRICK[/bold] wrote: Same old same old same old...........I was hoping that after Rambo Royston had gone we may have had a bit more thought and vision. But no, the developers still have the Cyclops vision they always had, and included the same old tired mix of retail, hotels, resturants.......ano ther cinema, bowling alley, yeah we're all going to flock to that, sure.........yet once again, one item thats been left off, and especially for our redundant archaeology department.......... trala!!!!! AN ICE RINK, and before all the trolls and developer shills start throwing ice at me, the old ice rink made money, the temporary ice rink made money (thats why its back this year) and Gosport rink is making wodges of cash and thats going to have a major refurbishment later this year because its worth it. Its just because this council has no vision, they care not for the residents, only for business, and of course Hammerson being a multinational PLC who guide and corral the sheeple to strip them of their money. Leisure, to these people isn't healthy leisure, its eating and drinking and shopping. Real good fun eh.........[/p][/quote]Not trolls just better informed. Planet ice the operators of gosport ice rink were issued with a winding up petition and had to avoid admin by separating out their business into various holing companies. Credit check them and tell me how much money they make (lose). If you have problems with you food or alcohol consumption or indeed want if for free, stay away. Or perhaps look at some of their other developments such as Highcross, Bullring, silverburn, broadmead and get of perspective. elvisimo
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4:36pm Thu 6 Dec 12

georgetheseventh says...

I think my wife would really suit that red dress..as for the bath tub with the block of flats on top..mmmmmmmm not sure.
I think my wife would really suit that red dress..as for the bath tub with the block of flats on top..mmmmmmmm not sure. georgetheseventh
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4:37pm Thu 6 Dec 12

kingnotail says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
Wow, more shops and further traffic chaos into what is an already congested area. Is this really the best vision they have?
We can't have industry HB - it frightens the environmentalists. We want shops. Lots of them. Nice safe shops, all selling goods made abroad.
No, we can't have industry because of the doctrine known as 'Thatcherism'.
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Wow, more shops and further traffic chaos into what is an already congested area. Is this really the best vision they have?[/p][/quote]We can't have industry HB - it frightens the environmentalists. We want shops. Lots of them. Nice safe shops, all selling goods made abroad.[/p][/quote]No, we can't have industry because of the doctrine known as 'Thatcherism'. kingnotail
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4:38pm Thu 6 Dec 12

gazdance says...

st1halo wrote:
gazdance wrote:
cliffwalker wrote:
I make no comment on the content of this development but I am against extending high rise buildings along the line of the longest remaining section of the old town walls.

If the pictures are an accurate depiction of the proposals, the old walls will be completely overshadowed and dwarfed and the biggest historic attraction in Southampton will be virtually buried.
This is a very valid point.

However, the current layout - and I'm referring to the section between the M&S side of West Quay and The Quays leisure centre - is a wasteland. It hardly invites people to go there or even notice the old walls in that section.

I'm sure that one of the plans I've seen makes the section in front of the old walls into a large, open plan plaza that would serve as a meeting point/entrance to the new development and would actually make more of a feature of that section of the old walls.

Imagine, the restaurants that could be there with seating and windows out to the plaza and walls beyond, as well as it being used occasionally for performing arts with those as a backdrop. If the council or the developer could invest in some lighting for that section of the walls as they have for other areas, it could be a pleasing way to make something of Southampton's history rather than cover it up.

Much better than leaving it as it is now, don't you think?
Are you referring to the 'Saturday Night Fever' Lighting down by the DeVere that they spent £70,000 on!
Yeah that's great that is!
Better still, let's cover the walls with electronic advertising boards like Picadilly! The council would if they could get away with it!
Not to everyone's taste, obviously. At least it's trying though.

Come on then, Echo readers. What do you all suggest? I note that most of these comments are either in support of the proposals or, typically for the Echo boards, against in that most blinkered and pessimistic way. No one is suggesting alternatives or something better.

I despair at people sometimes.

Hurry up and get it built. I'd go there.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gazdance[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: I make no comment on the content of this development but I am against extending high rise buildings along the line of the longest remaining section of the old town walls. If the pictures are an accurate depiction of the proposals, the old walls will be completely overshadowed and dwarfed and the biggest historic attraction in Southampton will be virtually buried.[/p][/quote]This is a very valid point. However, the current layout - and I'm referring to the section between the M&S side of West Quay and The Quays leisure centre - is a wasteland. It hardly invites people to go there or even notice the old walls in that section. I'm sure that one of the plans I've seen makes the section in front of the old walls into a large, open plan plaza that would serve as a meeting point/entrance to the new development and would actually make more of a feature of that section of the old walls. Imagine, the restaurants that could be there with seating and windows out to the plaza and walls beyond, as well as it being used occasionally for performing arts with those as a backdrop. If the council or the developer could invest in some lighting for that section of the walls as they have for other areas, it could be a pleasing way to make something of Southampton's history rather than cover it up. Much better than leaving it as it is now, don't you think?[/p][/quote]Are you referring to the 'Saturday Night Fever' Lighting down by the DeVere that they spent £70,000 on! Yeah that's great that is! Better still, let's cover the walls with electronic advertising boards like Picadilly! The council would if they could get away with it![/p][/quote]Not to everyone's taste, obviously. At least it's trying though. Come on then, Echo readers. What do you all suggest? I note that most of these comments are either in support of the proposals or, typically for the Echo boards, against in that most blinkered and pessimistic way. No one is suggesting alternatives or something better. I despair at people sometimes. Hurry up and get it built. I'd go there. gazdance
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5:04pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Limplarry says...

Is there much point? Considering the world is put out of its misery in a couple of weeks!
Is there much point? Considering the world is put out of its misery in a couple of weeks! Limplarry
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5:37pm Thu 6 Dec 12

News Fanatic says...

Shop chains are falling like nine pins. The retail trade is rapidly switching to the internet. I cannot help but think that many of these new shops will not be occupied by traders for many years, especially if austerity will continue until 2018.
Shop chains are falling like nine pins. The retail trade is rapidly switching to the internet. I cannot help but think that many of these new shops will not be occupied by traders for many years, especially if austerity will continue until 2018. News Fanatic
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8:46pm Thu 6 Dec 12

arthur dalyrimple says...

News Fanatic wrote:
Shop chains are falling like nine pins. The retail trade is rapidly switching to the internet. I cannot help but think that many of these new shops will not be occupied by traders for many years, especially if austerity will continue until 2018.
don,t worry about that ,total collapse will arrive before april next year ,uk gilts will collapse and interest rates will go through the roof.
[quote][p][bold]News Fanatic[/bold] wrote: Shop chains are falling like nine pins. The retail trade is rapidly switching to the internet. I cannot help but think that many of these new shops will not be occupied by traders for many years, especially if austerity will continue until 2018.[/p][/quote]don,t worry about that ,total collapse will arrive before april next year ,uk gilts will collapse and interest rates will go through the roof. arthur dalyrimple
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2:28am Fri 7 Dec 12

andysaints007 says...

Cyber__Fug wrote:
Isn't reading the Daily Echo lately just like watching the "Dave" channel on Sky.
Stop moaning and don't read it then
[quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: Isn't reading the Daily Echo lately just like watching the "Dave" channel on Sky.[/p][/quote]Stop moaning and don't read it then andysaints007
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2:34am Fri 7 Dec 12

andysaints007 says...

I see all the usual moaning, whining pathetic posters are at it again !
Still at least you are guaranteed a snigger at their negativity - I just pity their poor families who have to put up with them 24/7 - TW*TS
I see all the usual moaning, whining pathetic posters are at it again ! Still at least you are guaranteed a snigger at their negativity - I just pity their poor families who have to put up with them 24/7 - TW*TS andysaints007
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7:08am Fri 7 Dec 12

loosehead says...

THE BRICK wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
I do hope no one uses Echo headlines as a quick way of caculating the amount of 'new jobs' in Southampton. There's a lot of double/triple counting.

I know the Echo is a Tory rag but this is a sneaky way of making people believe there is more economic activity than really exists.

Good luck on building a new facility btw that requires the public having purchasing power, as Britain is going to be in and out of recession until 2022 at least, i suspect we will see more empty units then full ones,
Oooops Mr bitter and twisted strikes again. Wow! Look at that massive chip on your shoulder. Get a life for pities sake you miserable nut. This is good news for the city, and for jobs, and for construction. And that is what really gets to you. You hate good news because you like to swill around in negativity hoping things go wrong so that your left wing chums can get back in and repeat the mess they made last time.
The one thing that really annoys me more than OsUnborne and his 'We're all in this together' is when someone blames the mess we are in on one political party. Lets get this right the first time shall we, Labour didn't get everything right, of course they didn't, and yes they did waste money on wars that we shouldn't have been fighting and still are, BUT the economical meltdown was BANK DEBT, and that was global, God could have been the PM at the time, it would have been the same result, because the neo conservative elite who really run most of the global economy want it that way, regardless of who is in power in the UK. So WAKE UP, do some research before spouting the same old chestnut that the tory criminal party want you to believe, because that just causes division amongst the population. If you think OsUnborne is doing a good job, you will be so shocked when the economy collapses early in 2013, Camerwrong loses his job to Nick Boles MP because he is going to replace him very soon.

I'm not bitter and twisted, just very awake and realistic of what is really going on.
No you say your not bitter & twisted maybe not?
misinformed definitely. Okay if it was the Global Economy & not the Labour Governments fault please explain to me this.
Germanies banks went through the mill Germany's Industry was in trouble Germany's Unions agree to a National pay cut.
Germany put into place strict austerity measures there job market boomed as companies could afford to employ more.
Germany's economy is doing great so well it's become the bail out bank for the rest of the Euro Zone for countries that never implemented austerity measures.
So what's the difference with Germany & the UK?
Gordon Brown & Ed haven't got a clue Balls spent far more money out buying votes than they ever used to bail out the banks.
It's about time the public stopped believing people like you & looked at the figures.
Labour's vote was nose diving they had to do something so they started schemes they new they'd have to scrap if elected & nearly did it.
Just look at what a mess it would have been if they'd won look at Southamptons Labour council & thank God Labour aren't the Government.
Thank You Mr Osborne for my pay rise( Tax Threshold increase) Thank you for not raising fuel duty
[quote][p][bold]THE BRICK[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: I do hope no one uses Echo headlines as a quick way of caculating the amount of 'new jobs' in Southampton. There's a lot of double/triple counting. I know the Echo is a Tory rag but this is a sneaky way of making people believe there is more economic activity than really exists. Good luck on building a new facility btw that requires the public having purchasing power, as Britain is going to be in and out of recession until 2022 at least, i suspect we will see more empty units then full ones,[/p][/quote]Oooops Mr bitter and twisted strikes again. Wow! Look at that massive chip on your shoulder. Get a life for pities sake you miserable nut. This is good news for the city, and for jobs, and for construction. And that is what really gets to you. You hate good news because you like to swill around in negativity hoping things go wrong so that your left wing chums can get back in and repeat the mess they made last time.[/p][/quote]The one thing that really annoys me more than OsUnborne and his 'We're all in this together' is when someone blames the mess we are in on one political party. Lets get this right the first time shall we, Labour didn't get everything right, of course they didn't, and yes they did waste money on wars that we shouldn't have been fighting and still are, BUT the economical meltdown was BANK DEBT, and that was global, God could have been the PM at the time, it would have been the same result, because the neo conservative elite who really run most of the global economy want it that way, regardless of who is in power in the UK. So WAKE UP, do some research before spouting the same old chestnut that the tory criminal party want you to believe, because that just causes division amongst the population. If you think OsUnborne is doing a good job, you will be so shocked when the economy collapses early in 2013, Camerwrong loses his job to Nick Boles MP because he is going to replace him very soon. I'm not bitter and twisted, just very awake and realistic of what is really going on.[/p][/quote]No you say your not bitter & twisted maybe not? misinformed definitely. Okay if it was the Global Economy & not the Labour Governments fault please explain to me this. Germanies banks went through the mill Germany's Industry was in trouble Germany's Unions agree to a National pay cut. Germany put into place strict austerity measures there job market boomed as companies could afford to employ more. Germany's economy is doing great so well it's become the bail out bank for the rest of the Euro Zone for countries that never implemented austerity measures. So what's the difference with Germany & the UK? Gordon Brown & Ed haven't got a clue Balls spent far more money out buying votes than they ever used to bail out the banks. It's about time the public stopped believing people like you & looked at the figures. Labour's vote was nose diving they had to do something so they started schemes they new they'd have to scrap if elected & nearly did it. Just look at what a mess it would have been if they'd won look at Southamptons Labour council & thank God Labour aren't the Government. Thank You Mr Osborne for my pay rise( Tax Threshold increase) Thank you for not raising fuel duty loosehead
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7:40am Fri 7 Dec 12

elvisimo says...

andysaints007 wrote:
I see all the usual moaning, whining pathetic posters are at it again ! Still at least you are guaranteed a snigger at their negativity - I just pity their poor families who have to put up with them 24/7 - TW*TS
Yes!!!
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: I see all the usual moaning, whining pathetic posters are at it again ! Still at least you are guaranteed a snigger at their negativity - I just pity their poor families who have to put up with them 24/7 - TW*TS[/p][/quote]Yes!!! elvisimo
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9:17am Fri 7 Dec 12

Mr. Cleanstreets says...

More Cinemas and no Ice Rink?
Kill me now
More Cinemas and no Ice Rink? Kill me now Mr. Cleanstreets
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1:54pm Fri 7 Dec 12

kingnotail says...

Mr. Cleanstreets wrote:
More Cinemas and no Ice Rink?
Kill me now
I know this is hard for people from Southampton to understand, but it isn't the 1980s anymore. Ice rinks belong in a warehouse stuck out in the suburbs somewhere, not a modern city centre.
[quote][p][bold]Mr. Cleanstreets[/bold] wrote: More Cinemas and no Ice Rink? Kill me now[/p][/quote]I know this is hard for people from Southampton to understand, but it isn't the 1980s anymore. Ice rinks belong in a warehouse stuck out in the suburbs somewhere, not a modern city centre. kingnotail
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8:57am Sun 9 Dec 12

Mr. Cleanstreets says...

kingnotail wrote:
Mr. Cleanstreets wrote:
More Cinemas and no Ice Rink?
Kill me now
I know this is hard for people from Southampton to understand, but it isn't the 1980s anymore. Ice rinks belong in a warehouse stuck out in the suburbs somewhere, not a modern city centre.
So you advocate more cinemas then?
My vision by the way is to build a modern day ice centre big enough to entice a professional hockey team from up north into moving here. A training centre can then be put out in the suburbs. You are old fashioned and afraid of change, hence the eighties reference.
By the way, I am not from Southampton. I am trying to save it!
[quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr. Cleanstreets[/bold] wrote: More Cinemas and no Ice Rink? Kill me now[/p][/quote]I know this is hard for people from Southampton to understand, but it isn't the 1980s anymore. Ice rinks belong in a warehouse stuck out in the suburbs somewhere, not a modern city centre.[/p][/quote]So you advocate more cinemas then? My vision by the way is to build a modern day ice centre big enough to entice a professional hockey team from up north into moving here. A training centre can then be put out in the suburbs. You are old fashioned and afraid of change, hence the eighties reference. By the way, I am not from Southampton. I am trying to save it! Mr. Cleanstreets
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5:21pm Sun 9 Dec 12

kingnotail says...

Mr. Cleanstreets wrote:
kingnotail wrote:
Mr. Cleanstreets wrote:
More Cinemas and no Ice Rink?
Kill me now
I know this is hard for people from Southampton to understand, but it isn't the 1980s anymore. Ice rinks belong in a warehouse stuck out in the suburbs somewhere, not a modern city centre.
So you advocate more cinemas then?
My vision by the way is to build a modern day ice centre big enough to entice a professional hockey team from up north into moving here. A training centre can then be put out in the suburbs. You are old fashioned and afraid of change, hence the eighties reference.
By the way, I am not from Southampton. I am trying to save it!
One larger cinema, in a more central location - this is basically the plan as I see it. If this means some of the smaller cinemas close then so be it, neither Leisure World or Ocean Village are currently enticing night-time destinations, there's simply not enough on offer.

You couldn't entice anything from the north to Southampton, it'd be like going 30 years back in time for them..
[quote][p][bold]Mr. Cleanstreets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr. Cleanstreets[/bold] wrote: More Cinemas and no Ice Rink? Kill me now[/p][/quote]I know this is hard for people from Southampton to understand, but it isn't the 1980s anymore. Ice rinks belong in a warehouse stuck out in the suburbs somewhere, not a modern city centre.[/p][/quote]So you advocate more cinemas then? My vision by the way is to build a modern day ice centre big enough to entice a professional hockey team from up north into moving here. A training centre can then be put out in the suburbs. You are old fashioned and afraid of change, hence the eighties reference. By the way, I am not from Southampton. I am trying to save it![/p][/quote]One larger cinema, in a more central location - this is basically the plan as I see it. If this means some of the smaller cinemas close then so be it, neither Leisure World or Ocean Village are currently enticing night-time destinations, there's simply not enough on offer. You couldn't entice anything from the north to Southampton, it'd be like going 30 years back in time for them.. kingnotail
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8:39pm Sun 9 Dec 12

loosehead says...

kingnotail wrote:
Mr. Cleanstreets wrote:
kingnotail wrote:
Mr. Cleanstreets wrote:
More Cinemas and no Ice Rink?
Kill me now
I know this is hard for people from Southampton to understand, but it isn't the 1980s anymore. Ice rinks belong in a warehouse stuck out in the suburbs somewhere, not a modern city centre.
So you advocate more cinemas then?
My vision by the way is to build a modern day ice centre big enough to entice a professional hockey team from up north into moving here. A training centre can then be put out in the suburbs. You are old fashioned and afraid of change, hence the eighties reference.
By the way, I am not from Southampton. I am trying to save it!
One larger cinema, in a more central location - this is basically the plan as I see it. If this means some of the smaller cinemas close then so be it, neither Leisure World or Ocean Village are currently enticing night-time destinations, there's simply not enough on offer.

You couldn't entice anything from the north to Southampton, it'd be like going 30 years back in time for them..
I use to go to the Delta Belle & one week they had a jazz week it was packed every night but it's gone.
I went upstairs & there was live bands on & again it was packed with all ages went down there a while ago & there's a broncing thing in there what happened to the pub?
Went down there when the round the world boat race was on & couldn't get into any restaurant as it was boat crews & friends only?
Ocean Village was & could have been a great place for the older person (25-65+) but what is it now?
we need to attract the older age groups to go out & socialise but how?
[quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr. Cleanstreets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr. Cleanstreets[/bold] wrote: More Cinemas and no Ice Rink? Kill me now[/p][/quote]I know this is hard for people from Southampton to understand, but it isn't the 1980s anymore. Ice rinks belong in a warehouse stuck out in the suburbs somewhere, not a modern city centre.[/p][/quote]So you advocate more cinemas then? My vision by the way is to build a modern day ice centre big enough to entice a professional hockey team from up north into moving here. A training centre can then be put out in the suburbs. You are old fashioned and afraid of change, hence the eighties reference. By the way, I am not from Southampton. I am trying to save it![/p][/quote]One larger cinema, in a more central location - this is basically the plan as I see it. If this means some of the smaller cinemas close then so be it, neither Leisure World or Ocean Village are currently enticing night-time destinations, there's simply not enough on offer. You couldn't entice anything from the north to Southampton, it'd be like going 30 years back in time for them..[/p][/quote]I use to go to the Delta Belle & one week they had a jazz week it was packed every night but it's gone. I went upstairs & there was live bands on & again it was packed with all ages went down there a while ago & there's a broncing thing in there what happened to the pub? Went down there when the round the world boat race was on & couldn't get into any restaurant as it was boat crews & friends only? Ocean Village was & could have been a great place for the older person (25-65+) but what is it now? we need to attract the older age groups to go out & socialise but how? loosehead
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