Jobless youth figures rocket (From Romsey Advertiser)

It is not surprising that we have so many unemployed people. A friends brother was told to "stay on benefits as he will earn more that way" it makes my blood boil when I get my wage slip every month and look at how much tax I pay and all they do is hand it to people that could work but take the easy route by claiming benefits.

Problem is that none of the measures announced will actually CREATE jobs, just encourage employers to take on young people instead of older people... isn't this a bit odd when employers are not supposed to discriminate on the grounds of age?

"Companies will be paid a bonus of £2,275"
How about reducing the Uni fee by that much. again its just another way off given state tax money to the private hands

CEH393 wrote:
It is not surprising that we have so many unemployed people. A friends brother was told to "stay on benefits as he will earn more that way" it makes my blood boil when I get my wage slip every month and look at how much tax I pay and all they do is hand it to people that could work but take the easy route by claiming benefits.

After three years out of work I'd be delighted to have to pay taxes and National Insurance again - think yourself lucky!

Congrats to the Tories for 'looking to the future' and completely buggering it up!

We are integrating are children into a benefit grabbing society, where you can stay at home claim benefits and still have money for beer!

I suppose a lot of young people are not wealthy and therefore aren't a concern for the Tories...

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Congrats to the Tories for 'looking to the future' and completely buggering it up! We are integrating are children into a benefit grabbing society, where you can stay at home claim benefits and still have money for beer! I suppose a lot of young people are not wealthy and therefore aren't a concern for the Tories...

"Stay at home claim benefits and still have money for beer" Have you ever tried living on JSA of £67.50 per week? Pay for your gas, water, electricity, TV licence, broadband, insurance, food, clothes and transport and see how many pints of beer you can afford!

Huffter wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Congrats to the Tories for 'looking to the future' and completely buggering it up! We are integrating are children into a benefit grabbing society, where you can stay at home claim benefits and still have money for beer! I suppose a lot of young people are not wealthy and therefore aren't a concern for the Tories...

"Stay at home claim benefits and still have money for beer" Have you ever tried living on JSA of £67.50 per week? Pay for your gas, water, electricity, TV licence, broadband, insurance, food, clothes and transport and see how many pints of beer you can afford!

don't forget that your housing and council tax is paid for by someone else...me.

I went shopping today and noticed that there are a lot of non UK citizens working in supermarkets. What's stopping youngsters working there? My friend is looking for a barber to train, in 6 months he's had 2 applicants. Come on, other people find work. Youngsters need to be more proactive and find employment.

Condor Man wrote:

Huffter wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote: Congrats to the Tories for 'looking to the future' and completely buggering it up! We are integrating are children into a benefit grabbing society, where you can stay at home claim benefits and still have money for beer! I suppose a lot of young people are not wealthy and therefore aren't a concern for the Tories...

"Stay at home claim benefits and still have money for beer" Have you ever tried living on JSA of £67.50 per week? Pay for your gas, water, electricity, TV licence, broadband, insurance, food, clothes and transport and see how many pints of beer you can afford!

don't forget that your housing and council tax is paid for by someone else...me.

AND where do the Plasma TV's , Nintendos, Broadband connections, Blackberrys, Iphones and endless cheap cigarettes come from.I would suggest there is a lot more than £67.50 landing in some peoples pockets albeit not all!

My son has not had a proper job for three years, only 3 weeks seasonal work last year. He does not spend his benefits on vices, he does not smoke or drink, he spends his benefits on helping with food and household bills as we are a very low income household due to unfortunate circumstances. He absolutely hates having to be on benefits and would dearly love a job.

soobear wrote:
My son has not had a proper job for three years, only 3 weeks seasonal work last year. He does not spend his benefits on vices, he does not smoke or drink, he spends his benefits on helping with food and household bills as we are a very low income household due to unfortunate circumstances. He absolutely hates having to be on benefits and would dearly love a job.

Sounds like he needs some encouragement, there are plenty of jobs out there - if you are unwilling or unable to provide it then don't complain when the state does.
When he's off the benefits he'll have a much better sense of self worth which is vital if you want to make something of yourself.

Huffter wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Congrats to the Tories for 'looking to the future' and completely buggering it up! We are integrating are children into a benefit grabbing society, where you can stay at home claim benefits and still have money for beer! I suppose a lot of young people are not wealthy and therefore aren't a concern for the Tories...

"Stay at home claim benefits and still have money for beer" Have you ever tried living on JSA of £67.50 per week? Pay for your gas, water, electricity, TV licence, broadband, insurance, food, clothes and transport and see how many pints of beer you can afford!

And why should job seekers cover your TV licence, Broadband, Sky TV and transport?

It shouldn't! Some things in life are luxuries and if your not working you shouldn't be having them - end of!

I think benefits should be paid in vouchers which can only be redeemed for food and clothes, NO ALCOHOL, NO CIGARETTES etc - just bare essentials to ensure you a fed, clothed and a roof over your head - anything else you have to earn!

I wish everyone would stop moaning.

Come on everyone lets remember what Mr CaMoron said.

We're All In This Together!!!

Unless of course you are young, old, working class, on tax credits or in need of any form of social care.

This scheme is the Labour Governments scheme called Future Jobs Fund called something else, the only difference employers get less money under the current coalition.

I wish our Government would spend more time creating opportunities for our youngsters and less time re-inventing the Labour wheel.

Shoong wrote:

soobear wrote:
My son has not had a proper job for three years, only 3 weeks seasonal work last year. He does not spend his benefits on vices, he does not smoke or drink, he spends his benefits on helping with food and household bills as we are a very low income household due to unfortunate circumstances. He absolutely hates having to be on benefits and would dearly love a job.

Sounds like he needs some encouragement, there are plenty of jobs out there - if you are unwilling or unable to provide it then don't complain when the state does.
When he's off the benefits he'll have a much better sense of self worth which is vital if you want to make something of yourself.

You are so right there Shoong, he tries so hard but is very discouraged, especially this week as he has just had a metaphoric kick in the teeth from a certain employer that he thought very highly of.
Constant rejections have a lasting effect on a persons self worth. I do my best for him, but unfortunately I cant just go out and demand someone employ him, even though I feel very much like doing so!
BTW there was no complaint in my post so I figured you got me mixed up with an earlier poster :)

Condor Man wrote:
I went shopping today and noticed that there are a lot of non UK citizens working in supermarkets. What's stopping youngsters working there? My friend is looking for a barber to train, in 6 months he's had 2 applicants. Come on, other people find work. Youngsters need to be more proactive and find employment.

You still not leard yet what your capitalist system is doing.
The advertise jobs overseas, employ them on a 6 mth temp contract on wages below the NWL longer hours and when the 6 mths is up they drop them and get a new lot in, just so they do not comply with the national agreement.

CEH393 wrote:
It is not surprising that we have so many unemployed people. A friends brother was told to "stay on benefits as he will earn more that way" it makes my blood boil when I get my wage slip every month and look at how much tax I pay and all they do is hand it to people that could work but take the easy route by claiming benefits.

I'm 48 and been out of work for nearly 6 mths before that I was on a short term contract for 9 mths......Some may not wont to work but I can tell you things are looking really bad at the moment and Ive applied for well over 50 jobs and heard back from 1. And the reason young people are advise to stay on benifits are not because benifits pay well but jobs at the lower scale pay so poorly.

Condor Man says...
11:56am Thu 5 Apr 12

I went shopping today and noticed that there are a lot of non UK citizens working in supermarkets. What's stopping youngsters working there? My friend is looking for a barber to train, in 6 months he's had 2 applicants. Come on, other people find work. Youngsters need to be more proactive and find employment.
Give me his number I'll apply if he's happy to employ a 48 year old.

Shoong says...
12:46pm Thu 5 Apr 12

soobear wrote:
My son has not had a proper job for three years, only 3 weeks seasonal work last year. He does not spend his benefits on vices, he does not smoke or drink, he spends his benefits on helping with food and household bills as we are a very low income household due to unfortunate circumstances. He absolutely hates having to be on benefits and would dearly love a job.
Sounds like he needs some encouragement, there are plenty of jobs out there - if you are unwilling or unable to provide it then don't complain when the state does.
When he's off the benefits he'll have a much better sense of self worth which is vital if you want to make something of yourself.

Sorry there are not alot of jobs out there at all there are only part time jobs.......Honestly this is the worse unemployment this country has had for over 20 years...with more and more people going for the jobs

Over 1 million short term youth unemployment, over 1 million long term youth unemployment, and not even 60,000 jobs to be had a year for all the unemployed (youth and adults).
Do your sums there is just not enough jobs out there, and why its the Capitalist system we live in they want high unemployment so we will fight each other for jobs and drive down wages and working conditions.

southy wrote:
Over 1 million short term youth unemployment, over 1 million long term youth unemployment, and not even 60,000 jobs to be had a year for all the unemployed (youth and adults).
Do your sums there is just not enough jobs out there, and why its the Capitalist system we live in they want high unemployment so we will fight each other for jobs and drive down wages and working conditions.

As a voter in the upcoming elections in which you are standing & in which I could be potentially voting in I want the following questions answered:

1) Are you actually a member of Unite or a groupie / hanger on /fan boy?

2) Why are you not willing to show your face on your Facebook page? Surely it's in your best interests to let people see who you are? Do you want to be another faceless councillor or do you have something to hide?

Mr Southy is spot on....the idea of the minimum wage has been abused as everyone over time has bought the wages down to that. £6.08 an hour which after tax brings home about £180....for a single person after paying rent and food there's not enough left to cover utility bills.

southy wrote:
Over 1 million short term youth unemployment, over 1 million long term youth unemployment, and not even 60,000 jobs to be had a year for all the unemployed (youth and adults).
Do your sums there is just not enough jobs out there, and why its the Capitalist system we live in they want high unemployment so we will fight each other for jobs and drive down wages and working conditions.

The IMF predicted that unemployment in advanced countries would rise from 5.4% in 2007 to 9.3% in 2010 and expect it to peak at over 10%.
Youth unemployment was already at 600,000 in 2005 under Labour, and rising!
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One factor to add is that the population in the 16 - 24 group has increased quite considerably in recent times.

Condor Man wrote:

Huffter wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Congrats to the Tories for 'looking to the future' and completely buggering it up! We are integrating are children into a benefit grabbing society, where you can stay at home claim benefits and still have money for beer! I suppose a lot of young people are not wealthy and therefore aren't a concern for the Tories...

"Stay at home claim benefits and still have money for beer" Have you ever tried living on JSA of £67.50 per week? Pay for your gas, water, electricity, TV licence, broadband, insurance, food, clothes and transport and see how many pints of beer you can afford!

don't forget that your housing and council tax is paid for by someone else...me.

rubbish , your tax goes straight to the bank for international settlements in switzerland ,check it out , you,ll find it,s true , divide and rule ,you ate the carrott.

southy wrote:
"Companies will be paid a bonus of £2,275"
How about reducing the Uni fee by that much. again its just another way off given state tax money to the private hands

How would that tackle unemployment?

Huffter wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote:
Congrats to the Tories for 'looking to the future' and completely buggering it up! We are integrating are children into a benefit grabbing society, where you can stay at home claim benefits and still have money for beer! I suppose a lot of young people are not wealthy and therefore aren't a concern for the Tories...

"Stay at home claim benefits and still have money for beer" Have you ever tried living on JSA of £67.50 per week? Pay for your gas, water, electricity, TV licence, broadband, insurance, food, clothes and transport and see how many pints of beer you can afford!

Problem is, it's impossible not to notice that pubs are full of unemployed people every day. I'm not lumping you in with this crowd, but it is galling to see these people having a life of doing nothing but get drunk in the pub all day, while some of us are working to finance their endless party.

soobear wrote:
My son has not had a proper job for three years, only 3 weeks seasonal work last year. He does not spend his benefits on vices, he does not smoke or drink, he spends his benefits on helping with food and household bills as we are a very low income household due to unfortunate circumstances. He absolutely hates having to be on benefits and would dearly love a job.

Having a job isn't the only solution. Has he thought of working for himself at all?

Mr Price wrote:
Mr Southy is spot on....the idea of the minimum wage has been abused as everyone over time has bought the wages down to that. £6.08 an hour which after tax brings home about £180....for a single person after paying rent and food there's not enough left to cover utility bills.

Business people predicted what would happen with a minimum wage but the Labour government, spurred on by the Unions, didn't want to listen. Now you have many more people log jammed at the lowest level! (You may have read my comments to this affect some while ago.)(We are better off without a minimum wage!)

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:
"Companies will be paid a bonus of £2,275"
How about reducing the Uni fee by that much. again its just another way off given state tax money to the private hands

How would that tackle unemployment?

maybe more might be able to afford to go to Uni and not be unemployed.

George4th wrote:

Mr Price wrote:
Mr Southy is spot on....the idea of the minimum wage has been abused as everyone over time has bought the wages down to that. £6.08 an hour which after tax brings home about £180....for a single person after paying rent and food there's not enough left to cover utility bills.

Business people predicted what would happen with a minimum wage but the Labour government, spurred on by the Unions, didn't want to listen. Now you have many more people log jammed at the lowest level! (You may have read my comments to this affect some while ago.)(We are better off without a minimum wage!)

Its just as well there is a MWL other wise more people would be on a lot lower wage.

Mr Price wrote:
Mr Southy is spot on....the idea of the minimum wage has been abused as everyone over time has bought the wages down to that. £6.08 an hour which after tax brings home about £180....for a single person after paying rent and food there's not enough left to cover utility bills.

Minimum wage , just enough to cover the utility bills and food.
Mass profiteering by the electric, gas and water glomerates, as well the capitalist supermarket empires, whose only interest is keeping their shareholders busy feathering their foreign tax free , lucrative bank accounts, whilst you toil blood sweat and tears for your after tax pittance morsel of take home pay.
You are all playing right into there hands. That is all Camoron and his friends want from you. They are slowly financially brainwashing you all.
I'd rather toil for tovarish Yosef Stalin than that London based old Etonians club you call the British Government.
Dear Capitalists,
You reap what you sow,
Yours sincerely,
Someone who is glad to be alive today and not 200 years ago.
At least now socialism has assisted the masses over the past century.
Imagine a world where Tories and Whigs ( Liberal Democrats) held the balance of power.
Dickensian or what ?
By explaining that today's oil prices have a lot to do with Britain's, France's, Russia's and American Imperial and Capitalist belligerence over the last 100 years or would you prefer that I explain the reason why Her Majesty's Exchequer needs to tax fuel at two-thirds of the price of every litre, then an additional 20 per cent on every bill.
If you need someone to alleviate your sorrow, may I suggest you contact the NHS rather quickly, as it may not be available for much longer.
THIS IS A WAKE UP CALL. ACT BEFORE YOU ALL BECOME OVERWHELMED WITH POVERTY.

Taskforce 141 wrote:

Huffter wrote:

Taskforce 141 wrote: Congrats to the Tories for 'looking to the future' and completely buggering it up! We are integrating are children into a benefit grabbing society, where you can stay at home claim benefits and still have money for beer! I suppose a lot of young people are not wealthy and therefore aren't a concern for the Tories...

"Stay at home claim benefits and still have money for beer" Have you ever tried living on JSA of £67.50 per week? Pay for your gas, water, electricity, TV licence, broadband, insurance, food, clothes and transport and see how many pints of beer you can afford!

And why should job seekers cover your TV licence, Broadband, Sky TV and transport? It shouldn't! Some things in life are luxuries and if your not working you shouldn't be having them - end of! I think benefits should be paid in vouchers which can only be redeemed for food and clothes, NO ALCOHOL, NO CIGARETTES etc - just bare essentials to ensure you a fed, clothed and a roof over your head - anything else you have to earn!

How do I apply for a job without internet access, or get to an interview without transport... oh, and I don't have sky TV. And I've paid much more in tax and National Insurance during my working life than I've ever received in benefits... so you can sleep easy, I am effectively self-supporting!

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:
"Companies will be paid a bonus of £2,275"
How about reducing the Uni fee by that much. again its just another way off given state tax money to the private hands

How would that tackle unemployment?

maybe more might be able to afford to go to Uni and not be unemployed.

Maybe? Might? What planet are you on? This is tenuous, even for you.

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

Mr Price wrote:
Mr Southy is spot on....the idea of the minimum wage has been abused as everyone over time has bought the wages down to that. £6.08 an hour which after tax brings home about £180....for a single person after paying rent and food there's not enough left to cover utility bills.

Business people predicted what would happen with a minimum wage but the Labour government, spurred on by the Unions, didn't want to listen. Now you have many more people log jammed at the lowest level! (You may have read my comments to this affect some while ago.)(We are better off without a minimum wage!)

Its just as well there is a MWL other wise more people would be on a lot lower wage.

That might be true, but the actual numeric value of a wage isn't the entire picture. Yes, without a minimum wage, some people would get paid less, but the minimum wage pushes the price of everything up, ergo that minimum wage isn't worth what it might have been.

For example, if I'm a skilled worker being paid £10 an hour, and the janitor is paid £4 an hour, but then the minimum wage pushes what he earns up to £8 an hour, I'm naturally going to demand a respective and relative pay rise. Ergo, my employer has to put their prices up to cover this. And so on.

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

Mr Price wrote:
Mr Southy is spot on....the idea of the minimum wage has been abused as everyone over time has bought the wages down to that. £6.08 an hour which after tax brings home about £180....for a single person after paying rent and food there's not enough left to cover utility bills.

Business people predicted what would happen with a minimum wage but the Labour government, spurred on by the Unions, didn't want to listen. Now you have many more people log jammed at the lowest level! (You may have read my comments to this affect some while ago.)(We are better off without a minimum wage!)

Its just as well there is a MWL other wise more people would be on a lot lower wage.

That might be true, but the actual numeric value of a wage isn't the entire picture. Yes, without a minimum wage, some people would get paid less, but the minimum wage pushes the price of everything up, ergo that minimum wage isn't worth what it might have been.

For example, if I'm a skilled worker being paid £10 an hour, and the janitor is paid £4 an hour, but then the minimum wage pushes what he earns up to £8 an hour, I'm naturally going to demand a respective and relative pay rise. Ergo, my employer has to put their prices up to cover this. And so on.

You've got it!

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:
"Companies will be paid a bonus of £2,275"
How about reducing the Uni fee by that much. again its just another way off given state tax money to the private hands

How would that tackle unemployment?

maybe more might be able to afford to go to Uni and not be unemployed.

Maybe? Might? What planet are you on? This is tenuous, even for you.

well i on planet earth unlike your self.
when I said "maybe more might be able to afford to go to Uni and not be unemployed." I was being soft on you but the real truth would be more could afford to go to Uni.

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

Mr Price wrote:
Mr Southy is spot on....the idea of the minimum wage has been abused as everyone over time has bought the wages down to that. £6.08 an hour which after tax brings home about £180....for a single person after paying rent and food there's not enough left to cover utility bills.

Business people predicted what would happen with a minimum wage but the Labour government, spurred on by the Unions, didn't want to listen. Now you have many more people log jammed at the lowest level! (You may have read my comments to this affect some while ago.)(We are better off without a minimum wage!)

Its just as well there is a MWL other wise more people would be on a lot lower wage.

That might be true, but the actual numeric value of a wage isn't the entire picture. Yes, without a minimum wage, some people would get paid less, but the minimum wage pushes the price of everything up, ergo that minimum wage isn't worth what it might have been.

For example, if I'm a skilled worker being paid £10 an hour, and the janitor is paid £4 an hour, but then the minimum wage pushes what he earns up to £8 an hour, I'm naturally going to demand a respective and relative pay rise. Ergo, my employer has to put their prices up to cover this. And so on.

No it don't push the prices up, if those up the top was not so greedy and be more fairer then the price would not go up.
Its those at the front line that do most of the work for those above to be able to less but with more pay, with out those on the bottom those above could not earn a higher rate.

Hufter, you could use the free internet at the library, (if you can find one that hasn't closed down yet). You could cycle, or get the bus also, I should imagine. :-)

CEH393 wrote:
It is not surprising that we have so many unemployed people. A friends brother was told to "stay on benefits as he will earn more that way" it makes my blood boil when I get my wage slip every month and look at how much tax I pay and all they do is hand it to people that could work but take the easy route by claiming benefits.

Aren't they handing the money to the employers? Like they handed our money to the banks. Isn't it government policy, the bankers and big business that caused this crisis? Young people want to work as much as you do I'm sure. Lets put the blame where it belongs.

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

Mr Price wrote:
Mr Southy is spot on....the idea of the minimum wage has been abused as everyone over time has bought the wages down to that. £6.08 an hour which after tax brings home about £180....for a single person after paying rent and food there's not enough left to cover utility bills.

Business people predicted what would happen with a minimum wage but the Labour government, spurred on by the Unions, didn't want to listen. Now you have many more people log jammed at the lowest level! (You may have read my comments to this affect some while ago.)(We are better off without a minimum wage!)

Its just as well there is a MWL other wise more people would be on a lot lower wage.

That might be true, but the actual numeric value of a wage isn't the entire picture. Yes, without a minimum wage, some people would get paid less, but the minimum wage pushes the price of everything up, ergo that minimum wage isn't worth what it might have been.

For example, if I'm a skilled worker being paid £10 an hour, and the janitor is paid £4 an hour, but then the minimum wage pushes what he earns up to £8 an hour, I'm naturally going to demand a respective and relative pay rise. Ergo, my employer has to put their prices up to cover this. And so on.

No it don't push the prices up, if those up the top was not so greedy and be more fairer then the price would not go up.
Its those at the front line that do most of the work for those above to be able to less but with more pay, with out those on the bottom those above could not earn a higher rate.

I don't think you've ever quite grasped the fact that on the seventh day God didn't make all of the worlds businesses suddenly appear, they grew after someone took a gamble with their own money and ideas to build them up. Workers in any private company are only there because someone created it and others expanded it and grew it. The rewards have to be there to make it worthwhile and the more you try to penalise success, the less worthwhile it becomes and the fewer jobs there are for your workers. I know you think that you should sit on your backside and live off others business success but once you've killed the Golden Goose, lots of ex employees will be lining up to thank you for poking your nose in to their livelihoods.

Vote TUSC because a vote for any one else is a vote for cuts and job losses

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

Mr Price wrote:
Mr Southy is spot on....the idea of the minimum wage has been abused as everyone over time has bought the wages down to that. £6.08 an hour which after tax brings home about £180....for a single person after paying rent and food there's not enough left to cover utility bills.

Business people predicted what would happen with a minimum wage but the Labour government, spurred on by the Unions, didn't want to listen. Now you have many more people log jammed at the lowest level! (You may have read my comments to this affect some while ago.)(We are better off without a minimum wage!)

Its just as well there is a MWL other wise more people would be on a lot lower wage.

That might be true, but the actual numeric value of a wage isn't the entire picture. Yes, without a minimum wage, some people would get paid less, but the minimum wage pushes the price of everything up, ergo that minimum wage isn't worth what it might have been.

For example, if I'm a skilled worker being paid £10 an hour, and the janitor is paid £4 an hour, but then the minimum wage pushes what he earns up to £8 an hour, I'm naturally going to demand a respective and relative pay rise. Ergo, my employer has to put their prices up to cover this. And so on.

No it don't push the prices up, if those up the top was not so greedy and be more fairer then the price would not go up.
Its those at the front line that do most of the work for those above to be able to less but with more pay, with out those on the bottom those above could not earn a higher rate.

I don't think you've ever quite grasped the fact that on the seventh day God didn't make all of the worlds businesses suddenly appear, they grew after someone took a gamble with their own money and ideas to build them up. Workers in any private company are only there because someone created it and others expanded it and grew it. The rewards have to be there to make it worthwhile and the more you try to penalise success, the less worthwhile it becomes and the fewer jobs there are for your workers. I know you think that you should sit on your backside and live off others business success but once you've killed the Golden Goose, lots of ex employees will be lining up to thank you for poking your nose in to their livelihoods.

You should learn your history a lot better, first business was base on a commune system but then a minority got greedy and wanted more than there fair share, and first business was not base on money.
Its those at the bottom that do all the work and make any money for a business, with out them there would be no business and business can happen with out some greedy person putting up the money.

Torchie1 you should also learn its a rise in population and the avancement of technolgy that creates fewer jobs

southy wrote:
Over 1 million short term youth unemployment, over 1 million long term youth unemployment, and not even 60,000 jobs to be had a year for all the unemployed (youth and adults).
Do your sums there is just not enough jobs out there, and why its the Capitalist system we live in they want high unemployment so we will fight each other for jobs and drive down wages and working conditions.

.. no, southy. Again I must point out your inability to quote accurate statistics.

The 'Labour Market Statistics: March 2012' from the ONS quoting the official government unemployment statistics states: -

'In the three months to January 2012, there were 3.60 million 16 to 24 years olds in employment, down 32,000 from the three months to October 2011. There were 2.66 million economically inactive 16 to 24 year olds (most of whom were in full-time education), up 6,000 on the three months to October 2011. There were 1.04 million unemployed 16 to 24 year olds, up 16,000 from the three months to October 2011.'

So, there are NOT over 2 million unemployed youths as you state - only just over 1 million.

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:
Over 1 million short term youth unemployment, over 1 million long term youth unemployment, and not even 60,000 jobs to be had a year for all the unemployed (youth and adults).
Do your sums there is just not enough jobs out there, and why its the Capitalist system we live in they want high unemployment so we will fight each other for jobs and drive down wages and working conditions.

.. no, southy. Again I must point out your inability to quote accurate statistics.

The 'Labour Market Statistics: March 2012' from the ONS quoting the official government unemployment statistics states: -

'In the three months to January 2012, there were 3.60 million 16 to 24 years olds in employment, down 32,000 from the three months to October 2011. There were 2.66 million economically inactive 16 to 24 year olds (most of whom were in full-time education), up 6,000 on the three months to October 2011. There were 1.04 million unemployed 16 to 24 year olds, up 16,000 from the three months to October 2011.'

So, there are NOT over 2 million unemployed youths as you state - only just over 1 million.

There is over 2 million unemployed freefinker.
the way things stand that 4 out of 5 households has a unemployed youth, at the moment as a whole 1 in every 4 people is unemployed.

southy wrote:

Torchie1 wrote:

southy wrote:

Georgem wrote:

southy wrote:

George4th wrote:

Mr Price wrote:
Mr Southy is spot on....the idea of the minimum wage has been abused as everyone over time has bought the wages down to that. £6.08 an hour which after tax brings home about £180....for a single person after paying rent and food there's not enough left to cover utility bills.

Business people predicted what would happen with a minimum wage but the Labour government, spurred on by the Unions, didn't want to listen. Now you have many more people log jammed at the lowest level! (You may have read my comments to this affect some while ago.)(We are better off without a minimum wage!)

Its just as well there is a MWL other wise more people would be on a lot lower wage.

That might be true, but the actual numeric value of a wage isn't the entire picture. Yes, without a minimum wage, some people would get paid less, but the minimum wage pushes the price of everything up, ergo that minimum wage isn't worth what it might have been.

For example, if I'm a skilled worker being paid £10 an hour, and the janitor is paid £4 an hour, but then the minimum wage pushes what he earns up to £8 an hour, I'm naturally going to demand a respective and relative pay rise. Ergo, my employer has to put their prices up to cover this. And so on.

No it don't push the prices up, if those up the top was not so greedy and be more fairer then the price would not go up.
Its those at the front line that do most of the work for those above to be able to less but with more pay, with out those on the bottom those above could not earn a higher rate.

I don't think you've ever quite grasped the fact that on the seventh day God didn't make all of the worlds businesses suddenly appear, they grew after someone took a gamble with their own money and ideas to build them up. Workers in any private company are only there because someone created it and others expanded it and grew it. The rewards have to be there to make it worthwhile and the more you try to penalise success, the less worthwhile it becomes and the fewer jobs there are for your workers. I know you think that you should sit on your backside and live off others business success but once you've killed the Golden Goose, lots of ex employees will be lining up to thank you for poking your nose in to their livelihoods.

You should learn your history a lot better, first business was base on a commune system but then a minority got greedy and wanted more than there fair share, and first business was not base on money.
Its those at the bottom that do all the work and make any money for a business, with out them there would be no business and business can happen with out some greedy person putting up the money.

A very interesting but total irrelevant piece of information. Lets be absolutely clear and say that if you continually view my profits with an eye to relieving me of them under your guise of fairness, it shouldn't be a complete surprise when I say enough's enough and close the business. Nett result, no more feeding at my table and several hundred people looking for their next meal. Someone starting an enterprise with their own initiative and money is not going to be a vehicle for freeloaders who agree a wage and conditions and then decide that they own part of a company that they took no risks whatsoever in creating. If you want to create a business climate like that I doubt if you'll even see an Ice Cream salesman on the street. You can't seem to grasp that it's only a small number of people who are driven to start an employment opportunity and the vast majority of the population don't have the drive, the interest or the ambition. You tried and failed, and if you want to dissuade others just go ahead and justify yourself to the rising number of unemployed. Some people have the get up and go to create a business and you failed at this which is what drives your hatred of success. Peddle your own form of poison but don't spoil opportunities for others who want to get on in life as they can do it in any country they choose.

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:
Over 1 million short term youth unemployment, over 1 million long term youth unemployment, and not even 60,000 jobs to be had a year for all the unemployed (youth and adults).
Do your sums there is just not enough jobs out there, and why its the Capitalist system we live in they want high unemployment so we will fight each other for jobs and drive down wages and working conditions.

.. no, southy. Again I must point out your inability to quote accurate statistics.

The 'Labour Market Statistics: March 2012' from the ONS quoting the official government unemployment statistics states: -

'In the three months to January 2012, there were 3.60 million 16 to 24 years olds in employment, down 32,000 from the three months to October 2011. There were 2.66 million economically inactive 16 to 24 year olds (most of whom were in full-time education), up 6,000 on the three months to October 2011. There were 1.04 million unemployed 16 to 24 year olds, up 16,000 from the three months to October 2011.'

So, there are NOT over 2 million unemployed youths as you state - only just over 1 million.

There is over 2 million unemployed freefinker.
the way things stand that 4 out of 5 households has a unemployed youth, at the moment as a whole 1 in every 4 people is unemployed.

.. that may be your Trotskyist statistics, but they are as imaginary as the successes of many a Soviet five-year plan.

There are 1.04 million unemployed youths – official. No arguments, that IS the total.

I've quoted my sources, southy.

You can check them out at http://www.ons.gov.u
k/ons/dcp171778_2579
01.pdf

And your sources?

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:
Over 1 million short term youth unemployment, over 1 million long term youth unemployment, and not even 60,000 jobs to be had a year for all the unemployed (youth and adults).
Do your sums there is just not enough jobs out there, and why its the Capitalist system we live in they want high unemployment so we will fight each other for jobs and drive down wages and working conditions.

.. no, southy. Again I must point out your inability to quote accurate statistics.

The 'Labour Market Statistics: March 2012' from the ONS quoting the official government unemployment statistics states: -

'In the three months to January 2012, there were 3.60 million 16 to 24 years olds in employment, down 32,000 from the three months to October 2011. There were 2.66 million economically inactive 16 to 24 year olds (most of whom were in full-time education), up 6,000 on the three months to October 2011. There were 1.04 million unemployed 16 to 24 year olds, up 16,000 from the three months to October 2011.'

So, there are NOT over 2 million unemployed youths as you state - only just over 1 million.

There is over 2 million unemployed freefinker.
the way things stand that 4 out of 5 households has a unemployed youth, at the moment as a whole 1 in every 4 people is unemployed.

.. that may be your Trotskyist statistics, but they are as imaginary as the successes of many a Soviet five-year plan.

There are 1.04 million unemployed youths – official. No arguments, that IS the total.

.. and: -

'4 out of 5 households has a unemployed youth' - wow.

Perhaps you could provide the evidence that 4 out of 5 households actually HAS a youth within it – unemployed or not? I think when you think about it you will soon realise that this is demographically extremely unlikely in a developed country, if not impossible.

‘at the moment as a whole 1 in every 4 people is unemployed’ – wow again.

You think our unemployment rate is 25%? As you will see from the link I have provided you with the unemployment rate is in fact only 8.4% - so, only a 300% exaggeration on your part southy.

.. southy, with your dodgy statistics and atrocious maths, how can voters take the economic policies of TUSC seriously?

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:
Over 1 million short term youth unemployment, over 1 million long term youth unemployment, and not even 60,000 jobs to be had a year for all the unemployed (youth and adults).
Do your sums there is just not enough jobs out there, and why its the Capitalist system we live in they want high unemployment so we will fight each other for jobs and drive down wages and working conditions.

.. no, southy. Again I must point out your inability to quote accurate statistics.

The 'Labour Market Statistics: March 2012' from the ONS quoting the official government unemployment statistics states: -

'In the three months to January 2012, there were 3.60 million 16 to 24 years olds in employment, down 32,000 from the three months to October 2011. There were 2.66 million economically inactive 16 to 24 year olds (most of whom were in full-time education), up 6,000 on the three months to October 2011. There were 1.04 million unemployed 16 to 24 year olds, up 16,000 from the three months to October 2011.'

So, there are NOT over 2 million unemployed youths as you state - only just over 1 million.

There is over 2 million unemployed freefinker.
the way things stand that 4 out of 5 households has a unemployed youth, at the moment as a whole 1 in every 4 people is unemployed.

.. that may be your Trotskyist statistics, but they are as imaginary as the successes of many a Soviet five-year plan.

There are 1.04 million unemployed youths – official. No arguments, that IS the total.

Go direct to Whitehall Civil Service and you see the raw data on unemployed and not by out side agency who been told to make the figures to look better than what they really are.
The ONS is run by a private contact firm and is not done by Whitehall no longer like it use to be when you had true facts and figures with out the make it look good feel factor, things are a lot worse than they are trying to put across.

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:

freefinker wrote:

southy wrote:
Over 1 million short term youth unemployment, over 1 million long term youth unemployment, and not even 60,000 jobs to be had a year for all the unemployed (youth and adults).
Do your sums there is just not enough jobs out there, and why its the Capitalist system we live in they want high unemployment so we will fight each other for jobs and drive down wages and working conditions.

.. no, southy. Again I must point out your inability to quote accurate statistics.

The 'Labour Market Statistics: March 2012' from the ONS quoting the official government unemployment statistics states: -

'In the three months to January 2012, there were 3.60 million 16 to 24 years olds in employment, down 32,000 from the three months to October 2011. There were 2.66 million economically inactive 16 to 24 year olds (most of whom were in full-time education), up 6,000 on the three months to October 2011. There were 1.04 million unemployed 16 to 24 year olds, up 16,000 from the three months to October 2011.'

So, there are NOT over 2 million unemployed youths as you state - only just over 1 million.

There is over 2 million unemployed freefinker.
the way things stand that 4 out of 5 households has a unemployed youth, at the moment as a whole 1 in every 4 people is unemployed.

.. that may be your Trotskyist statistics, but they are as imaginary as the successes of many a Soviet five-year plan.

There are 1.04 million unemployed youths – official. No arguments, that IS the total.

Go direct to Whitehall Civil Service and you see the raw data on unemployed and not by out side agency who been told to make the figures to look better than what they really are.
The ONS is run by a private contact firm and is not done by Whitehall no longer like it use to be when you had true facts and figures with out the make it look good feel factor, things are a lot worse than they are trying to put across.

Absolute rubbish southy, as I have told you many times before.

The ONS is the distributor of official government statistics - note the .gov.uk part of their web address.

Or as they say – ‘In accordance with the Statistics and Registration Service Act 2007, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) is the executive office of the UK Statistics Authority. ONS is the UK Government’s main survey organisation and main producer of official statistics.’

Note that - 'producer of OFFICIAL statistics'

Now please provide this mysterious link to "Go direct to Whitehall Civil Service and you see the raw data on unemployed".

Come on, SHOW ME THE LINK.

Many Brits are being undercut by Eastern European workers. A friend of mine lost his plastering job as the Polish were willing to work for £60 a day. We are talking about skilled tradesmen.
How can Brits compete when the costs to live are so high.
And critics out there. Eastern Europeans and willing to live in muliple occupancy houses with a family in one room.
Should we live like this in our own Country to survive?
Labour opened the floodgates to low cost migrant workers but forgot to build the roads, schools or houses to cater for them.
The least that should happen is US British should be allowed to play on an even playing field.
We only want fairness.
Don't vote for the 3 monkey parties anymore.