Resounding win for Salmond: poll

Alistair Darling, left, Alex Salmond will take part in a 90-minute televised debate

Better Together leader Alistair Darling and First Minister Alex Salmond during the second TV debate at Kelvingrove Art Gallery and Museum in Glasgow

Better Together leader Alistair Darling and First Minister Alex Salmond during their debate in Glasgow

Better Together leader Alistair Darling and First Minister Alex Salmond ahead of the second TV debate over Scottish independence at Kelvingrove Art Gallery and Museum in Glasgow

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Alex Salmond has won a key television debate against the the leader of the campaign to keep Scotland in the United Kingdom, a snap poll has found.

Research by ICM for the Guardian newspaper showed 71% of people questioned thought the Scottish First Minister had been the better performer in the BBC clash, compared to 29% for Better Together leader Alistair Darling.

A similar survey after the first head to head debate between the two men last month suggested the former chancellor had scored a narrow victory over the SNP leader.

In both televised debates, the issue of which currency an independent Scotland would use was at the heart of the arguments.

Mr Darling again repeatedly pressed the First Minister to set out his plan B for a currency if a formal deal could not be agreed with the rest of the UK to allow an independent Scotland to retain the pound.

But the former chancellor tonight appeared to accept that Scotland could use the pound regardless of whether Westminster signed up to such an arrangement.

He said: " Of course we can use the pound...we could use the ruble, we could use the dollar, we could use the yen. We could use anything we want."

Mr Salmond said: "The key point we have heard tonight is that Alistair admitted a few seconds ago we could use the pound anyway. We didn't need permission.

"Totally different from what the Chancellor of the Exchequer said a few months ago, when he said, if you walk out of the UK, you walk out of the pound.

"Remember that, we have heard it tonight. They cannot stop us using the pound, the most important revelation of this debate."

Blair Jenkins, chief executive of the pro independence Yes Scotland campaign, said afterwards: 'This was an overwhelming victory for Yes. The First Minister's message was clear, optimistic and passionate and spelled out a no-nonsense message of the positives and opportunities of independence."

But Better Together campaign director Blair McDougall said: " Alex Salmond still can't give a credible answer on currency. While the world was watching he even went as far as to threaten to default on our debts."

On currency Mr Salmond insisted he was seeking a mandate from the Scots to call for a formal currency union with the rest of the UK - an option which has already been ruled out by the Conservatives, Labour and the Liberal Democrats.

Despite that, the First Minister said: " I want people to back the proposition that we should share sterling in a currency union.

''That mandate is crucial, and that is what I want people to support, because I believe if they support it and send me into negotiations as First Minister then that will be the outcome."

But he also said he had "s et out the options to point out there are other things we could do", highlighting a flexible currency union such as Sweden and Norway's and the fixed exchange rate that Denmark and Hong Kong share.

Mr Salmond then added: "We cannot be stopped from using the pound anyway."

He told Mr Darling: ''I set out the options very clearly - three Plan Bs for the price of one. They are just like buses ... you expect one and then three turn up at once.''

He stressed if there is a Yes vote on September 18 he would " argue what is best for the people of Scotland", which could be a currency union.

''If I was to go in arguing for second best, then second best is what we would get," he said.

Mr Darling, however, told the SNP leader: ''You are taking a huge risk if you think it is just all going to fall into place."

The Labour MP insisted: " I think the currency union would be bad for Scotland because our budget would have to be approved not by us, but what would then be a foreign country. It wouldn't be best for the rest of the country either.''

T he debate, staged at Glasgow's Kelvingrove Art Gallery and Museum, saw heated exchanges between the rival politicians, who had to be told not to talk over one another.

On the future of the NHS the the Better Together leader accusing the pro-independence campaign of scaremongering with claims that a Yes vote is needed to protect the health service north of the border from privatisation.

Mr Darling said: " 'What we need is less of that scaremongering and a realisation we all want the NHS to do well, we all want it to be there at the point of need, but to do that you need funding.

''Frankly taking on risks, not even knowing what currency you've got is the real threat to the National Health Service.''

But Mr Salmond insisted spending cuts south of the border could hurt the health service in Scotland if the referendum resulted in a No vote

He said: " 'That is why to have a health service we can all trust and rely on we've got to have a health service where we have financial control as well as policy control, so we can keep the National Health Service as the greatest public institution in Scotland.''

The SNP leader went on to tell tell Mr Darling he was "in bed with the Tory Party" over welfare reforms - with this denied by the Better Together leader, who argued it made sense to spread the cost of providing social security across all of the UK.

Mr Darling said: "We know there are people with disabilities, we know we've got an ageing population that will require more medical care, we know we've got a falling working age population. Why take that burden on five million people when it could be pooled and shared across 63 million, it makes no sense whatsoever.''

Closing the debate he insisted that uncertainty over currency could "bring a country to its knees".

The former chancellor said: " 'I know there are some who are thinking about giving independence a chance, but when we can't be told about currency, I don't think that can be trusted.''

Mr Salmond said an independent Scotland would face challenges, and would "have to rise to these challenges to solve them".

But he argued the rival No campaign "has absolutely nothing positive to say about the future of this country".

Similarly Mr Jenkins said the Better Together leader had been " endlessly negative", claiming he had "tried to put some shine on his flawed vision of life after No".

But the Yes Scotland chief executive said what Mr Darling had "succeeded in doing was to expose the bankruptcy of his movement's promise of a future under yet another Westminster government that people in Scotland did not vote for".

He added: "The only positive contribution he made to the debate was when he admitted: 'Of course we can use the pound'.

"Mr Salmond outlined a compelling case for a Scotland of the future - a Scotland that takes its future into its own hands, utilising its vast wealth, resources and talent to build a fairer, more just nation free from the punishing austerity of the Tory-led government at Westminster - is what will win the day for independence on September 18."

Meanwhile Mr McDougall accused the First Minister of " shouting his way through the debate" as he said: " Alistair was asking the questions which undecided voters want answered, and was offering what people wanted - more powers without the economic risks that were so obvious tonight."

The Better Together campaign director continued: " The Alex Salmond who shouts his way through First Minister's questions each week turned up, but he couldn't move his argument forward because, he had no answers to the big question - what currency we would use.

"The 72% of pensioners who said they were worried about their pensions in a poll this weekend are no clearer on what currency their pensions would be paid in. The women who told the Yes campaign's own poll that the NHS was safer as part of the UK watched Alex Salmond back-pedal on his scare stories, admitting that the NHS in Scotland could not be privatised.

"At the end of this debate we're still where we were at the end of the last one."

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3:11pm Mon 25 Aug 14

MrBenggo says...

Salmond was not at all convincing about the currency Scotland would use,maybe the "Bawbe"will make a come back.
If Scotland does vote to go independent,what happens if/when it all goes wrong,the rest of the UK can't be used like an insurance policy,something to fall back on.
Salmond was not at all convincing about the currency Scotland would use,maybe the "Bawbe"will make a come back. If Scotland does vote to go independent,what happens if/when it all goes wrong,the rest of the UK can't be used like an insurance policy,something to fall back on. MrBenggo
  • Score: -2

7:07pm Mon 25 Aug 14

Counterview says...

Salmond will settle for Devo max. Dave's already promised some more unspecified goodies if Scotland votes no. Good old Dave - our EU negotiator in chief ie Please Angela - just give me something.
Salmond will settle for Devo max. Dave's already promised some more unspecified goodies if Scotland votes no. Good old Dave - our EU negotiator in chief ie Please Angela - just give me something. Counterview
  • Score: -2
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